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That was immediately after getting formal guarantee by the UK that in case of an attack, the UK will immediately defend Sweden (which weakened the need to join
by brabel 5y ago
That was immediately after getting formal guarantee by the UK that in case of an attack, the UK will immediately defend Sweden (which weakened the need to join NATO substantially).
- ptype 5y agoThis is misleading. I believe the wording was "help"/"assist", not "defend" and I do not believe anything has been formalised?
- brabel 5y agoMisleading how? It's exactly what the swedish news are saying: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sensationellt-uttalande-om-brittisk-forsvarsgarant https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sensationellt-uttalande-o... "Sverige ingår i samma familj, så vi skulle hjälpa Sverige. Vi skulle göra allt vi kan, både militärt och på andra sätt” " "Britternas, nu officiellt uttalade militära stöd till Sverige..."
- T-A 5y agoDo you see anything about a signed agreement anywhere? All you have there is one sentence uttered by a British minister at a press conference, and for all you know, "military" assistance could mean exactly the same as for Ukraine: sending weapons.
- ptype 5y agoMisleading exactly in the way I said: the wording used is “help”, not defend, and nothing is formalised. Ukraine is getting “help” as well, but it is not exactly NATO article 5 protection.
- T-A 5y agoPretty much. There is definitely no "formal guarantee", just a sound bite from a press conference: https://www.thelocal.se/20220304/britain-promises-military-assistance-if-sweden-is-attacked/ https://www.thelocal.se/20220304/britain-promises-military-a...
- eschulz 5y agoAlso, I think the Swedish military would likely be a very formidable opponent to anyone trying to invade Sweden. The tricky part would be if Russia simply fired rockets or missiles into Sweden (but I don't see any point to them doing that).
- CRConrad 5y ago> Also, I think the Swedish military would likely be a very formidable opponent to anyone trying to invade Sweden. Muahahahahaa... Maybe as recently as the late 1970s or even, at a stretch, early-to-mid 1980s. But after that, newsflash for you: Sweden pretty much got rid of its erstwhile impressive defense.
- davedx 5y agoWas this the same kind of agreement as this one made with Ukraine when they got rid of their nuclear weapons? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...
- n4r9 5y agoI'm all for the UK stepping up to give Ukraine more assistance but it's not (yet) justified by the Budapest memorandum; it only guarantees assistance in the case of attack by nuclear weapons.
- HyprMusic 5y agoRead the the agreement again. It only mandates that the countries that signed the agreement wouldn't be the ones to attack Ukraine - it didn't include any obligation to defend them.
- CRConrad 5y ago> It only mandates that the countries that signed the agreement wouldn't be the ones to attack Ukraine Shows exactly how much international agreements are worth: One of the countries that signed the agreement was Russia.
- garagemc2 5y agoThe UK said the same to Australia. No one came during after the bombing of Darwin , in fact it was AU troops that ended up helping out the empire.