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Yes. The terrain for Ukranian insurgents will simply be civilians. How can you tell who is going to shoot you in the back when you turn around? Unfortunately,

Yes. The terrain for Ukranian insurgents will simply be civilians. How can you tell who is going to shoot you in the back when you turn around? Unfortunately, we live in a new age and China has perfected facial recognition software, which they will probably have no scruples about providing to Russia. I'm not sure a crowd provides the same kind of anonymity that it once did.

deutschew 5y ago
The uncomfortable truth is that civilians will be used as shields by insurgency as it always has. We are starting to see some of this right now (and I'm not 100% certain) but for instance the alleged Azov battalion operating near DNR/LNR area is said to be not allowing citizens to leave the city. There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave. Like Hamas in Palestine who regularly launch rockets at Israel from top of apartment buildings, it's only a matter of time before insurgency turns to this tactic as they are determined to keep fighting.
- riku_iki 5y ago
  > There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave. Another side of the story is that Ukrainians claim they couldn't reach agreement of ceasing fire and humanitarian corridors with Russians. I believe people are leaving Kharkov and Kiev relatively freely.
- T-A 5y ago
  > There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave Do you suppose that may have something to do with things like https://www.newsweek.com/evacuation-route-offered-fleeing-ukrainians-mined-1685418 https://www.newsweek.com/evacuation-route-offered-fleeing-uk... and https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/ukraine-russia-invasion-sunday-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/ukraine-russia-inv... ?
alangibson 5y ago
It depends totally on how unified people remain. I don't think facial recognition cameras will last long against crowds that have proven themselves willing to dance on top of enemy tanks.
- nwiswell 5y ago
  I was imagining that the cameras would be carried by the troops themselves as an IFF measure. But you're right, the conflict may or may not actually reach the stage of clandestine insurgency.

deutschew 5y ago

The uncomfortable truth is that civilians will be used as shields by insurgency as it always has. We are starting to see some of this right now (and I'm not 100% certain) but for instance the alleged Azov battalion operating near DNR/LNR area is said to be not allowing citizens to leave the city. There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave. Like Hamas in Palestine who regularly launch rockets at Israel from top of apartment buildings, it's only a matter of time before insurgency turns to this tactic as they are determined to keep fighting.

riku_iki 5y ago
> There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave. Another side of the story is that Ukrainians claim they couldn't reach agreement of ceasing fire and humanitarian corridors with Russians. I believe people are leaving Kharkov and Kiev relatively freely.
T-A 5y ago
> There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave Do you suppose that may have something to do with things like https://www.newsweek.com/evacuation-route-offered-fleeing-ukrainians-mined-1685418 https://www.newsweek.com/evacuation-route-offered-fleeing-uk... and https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/ukraine-russia-invasion-sunday-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/ukraine-russia-inv... ?

alangibson 5y ago

It depends totally on how unified people remain. I don't think facial recognition cameras will last long against crowds that have proven themselves willing to dance on top of enemy tanks.

nwiswell 5y ago
I was imagining that the cameras would be carried by the troops themselves as an IFF measure. But you're right, the conflict may or may not actually reach the stage of clandestine insurgency.