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lack of natural barriers, the Ukraine, Belarus lands are flat which means very little places to hide for the insurgency. in Afghanistan the Taliban could hide

lack of natural barriers, the Ukraine, Belarus lands are flat which means very little places to hide for the insurgency. in Afghanistan the Taliban could hide out in network of caves and there is just no flatten mountains, the Vietcongs could utilize underground networks and dense forests to operate. One hope for Ukraine is urban warfare, Putin launched two miserable wars against Chechnya and they were decimated from insurgents hiding out in various apartment buildings, it is likely what is stalling the advance in Kyiv.

nwiswell 5y ago
Yes. The terrain for Ukranian insurgents will simply be civilians. How can you tell who is going to shoot you in the back when you turn around? Unfortunately, we live in a new age and China has perfected facial recognition software, which they will probably have no scruples about providing to Russia. I'm not sure a crowd provides the same kind of anonymity that it once did.
- deutschew 5y ago
  The uncomfortable truth is that civilians will be used as shields by insurgency as it always has. We are starting to see some of this right now (and I'm not 100% certain) but for instance the alleged Azov battalion operating near DNR/LNR area is said to be not allowing citizens to leave the city. There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave. Like Hamas in Palestine who regularly launch rockets at Israel from top of apartment buildings, it's only a matter of time before insurgency turns to this tactic as they are determined to keep fighting.
  - riku_iki 5y ago
    > There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave. Another side of the story is that Ukrainians claim they couldn't reach agreement of ceasing fire and humanitarian corridors with Russians. I believe people are leaving Kharkov and Kiev relatively freely.
  - T-A 5y ago
    > There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave Do you suppose that may have something to do with things like https://www.newsweek.com/evacuation-route-offered-fleeing-ukrainians-mined-1685418 https://www.newsweek.com/evacuation-route-offered-fleeing-uk... and https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/ukraine-russia-invasion-sunday-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/ukraine-russia-inv... ?
- alangibson 5y ago
  It depends totally on how unified people remain. I don't think facial recognition cameras will last long against crowds that have proven themselves willing to dance on top of enemy tanks.
  - nwiswell 5y ago
    I was imagining that the cameras would be carried by the troops themselves as an IFF measure. But you're right, the conflict may or may not actually reach the stage of clandestine insurgency.
gremlinsinc 5y ago
Ukraine is tundra. Right now it's entering the muddy season. Russia could only possibly even attack using airforce now, because anything on the ground is going to sink. Ironically, Xi telling Putin to wait till the Olympics were over probably cost Putin the war, because of all the abandoned vehicles stuck in the mud. There's a convoy with who knows how many vehicles but it stretches 40 miles and it's never digging out of the mud, most likely it'll be added to Ukraine's assets when things dry out. Russia is leveling cities, but this is a WIN for urban warfar. In previous wars some people would level their own cities so they had better places to hide and setup snipers at. Here's a good video outlying why Putin has already lost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ4hvLqNfqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ4hvLqNfqo
- notch656a 5y ago
  Plot twist, Xi knew that tricking Putin into delaying the invasion would weaken their neighbor, allowing Xi to profit.

nwiswell 5y ago

Yes. The terrain for Ukranian insurgents will simply be civilians. How can you tell who is going to shoot you in the back when you turn around? Unfortunately, we live in a new age and China has perfected facial recognition software, which they will probably have no scruples about providing to Russia. I'm not sure a crowd provides the same kind of anonymity that it once did.

deutschew 5y ago
The uncomfortable truth is that civilians will be used as shields by insurgency as it always has. We are starting to see some of this right now (and I'm not 100% certain) but for instance the alleged Azov battalion operating near DNR/LNR area is said to be not allowing citizens to leave the city. There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave. Like Hamas in Palestine who regularly launch rockets at Israel from top of apartment buildings, it's only a matter of time before insurgency turns to this tactic as they are determined to keep fighting.
- riku_iki 5y ago
  > There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave. Another side of the story is that Ukrainians claim they couldn't reach agreement of ceasing fire and humanitarian corridors with Russians. I believe people are leaving Kharkov and Kiev relatively freely.
- T-A 5y ago
  > There are footages going around them turning (you can tell from the patches they wear) citizens away from checkpoints as they try to leave Do you suppose that may have something to do with things like https://www.newsweek.com/evacuation-route-offered-fleeing-ukrainians-mined-1685418 https://www.newsweek.com/evacuation-route-offered-fleeing-uk... and https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/ukraine-russia-invasion-sunday-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/06/europe/ukraine-russia-inv... ?
alangibson 5y ago
It depends totally on how unified people remain. I don't think facial recognition cameras will last long against crowds that have proven themselves willing to dance on top of enemy tanks.
- nwiswell 5y ago
  I was imagining that the cameras would be carried by the troops themselves as an IFF measure. But you're right, the conflict may or may not actually reach the stage of clandestine insurgency.

gremlinsinc 5y ago

Ukraine is tundra. Right now it's entering the muddy season. Russia could only possibly even attack using airforce now, because anything on the ground is going to sink. Ironically, Xi telling Putin to wait till the Olympics were over probably cost Putin the war, because of all the abandoned vehicles stuck in the mud. There's a convoy with who knows how many vehicles but it stretches 40 miles and it's never digging out of the mud, most likely it'll be added to Ukraine's assets when things dry out. Russia is leveling cities, but this is a WIN for urban warfar. In previous wars some people would level their own cities so they had better places to hide and setup snipers at. Here's a good video outlying why Putin has already lost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ4hvLqNfqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ4hvLqNfqo

notch656a 5y ago
Plot twist, Xi knew that tricking Putin into delaying the invasion would weaken their neighbor, allowing Xi to profit.