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> The plan is to have the propaganda never end. It's quite scary. While I support the Ukraine, I'm shocked with how little media discussion there is about Amer
by tharne 5y ago
> The plan is to have the propaganda never end.
It's quite scary. While I support the Ukraine, I'm shocked with how little media discussion there is about American hypocrisy on this topic. This certainly in no way excuses Putin's actions, but it's quite amazing how our elected officials can stand there straight-faced shaking their finger in disapproval at Putin after the number of countries we've invaded in my lifetime alone. Good God, I can't even imagine what we'd do if we got into a conflict with Mexico and the Russians we sending them weapons. Oh wait, that happened with Cuba in the 1960's and we threatened to wipe the Soviet Union off the map with nuclear weapons.
- rini17 5y agoSure Americans did invade countries and kill civilians and now they act hypocritically.. but on the other side, are there any examples even remotely approaching the hamfisted Russian manners in Chechnya, Syria and Ukraine? Perhaps Israel toward Palestinians but we're talking about USA here.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y agoRegarding Chechnya, I want to remind you that you are talking about an insurgency that was very used to commit terror attacks on civilians and take hostages to negotiate their terms. Including hundreds of children. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budyonnovsk_hospital_hostage_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budyonnovsk_hospital_hostage_c... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizlyar%E2%80%93Pervomayskoye_hostage_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizlyar%E2%80%93Pervomayskoye_... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege
- rini17 5y agoSo you say leveling whole cities with ground like Grozny is the right response here?
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y agoI am not saying that. What you use is a classical demagogue trick called "strawman fallacy".
- rini17 5y agoYes. I am talking about civilian casualties, you strawmanning with insurgents. Or why did you mention them, what is your reasoning? "They killed hundred our children so we kill thousand of theirs?"
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y agoThe side that takes children as hostages of the 'other' side is not above using their own civilians as a human shield so people like you would lament their sufferings. What next, you'll be judgemental about population of Berlin when it was taken from the Nazis?
- rini17 5y agoSo let's not judge the US either. And if you're satisfied with the overall result (like Chechen warlord being #2 man in Russia)...then it's all okay I guess.
- tharne 5y agoThe Iraqi people would like a word. The Vietnamese too.
- prohobo 5y agoI'm not concerned with hypocrisy, we're all hypocrites. My concern is that they didn't even consider dealing with accusations of hypocrisy. They don't care, because the level of politics is so low that I'd start comparing it to tribal warfare. Just get the tribe members riled up to do what we want, no one is going to meaningfully challenge what we do anyway. They're setting us all up to mindlessly support their reckless "missions". And this shows they're not competent in creating or managing a stable system, and have devolved to the level of small tribes in terms of political thought.