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But then there's been a huge rise in crime. The murder rate in some cities is dramatically higher than just a few years ago. But it's not like the gas suddenly

But then there's been a huge rise in crime. The murder rate in some cities is dramatically higher than just a few years ago. But it's not like the gas suddenly became leaded again. This makes me think that we just can't be too certain about these things.

watwut 5y ago
There was not huge rise in crime in general. There were more murders during lockdowns in US, which is in fact to be expected since people were forced to be with close relatives - and most murders are by close people.
- bluedino 5y ago
  Murders have been on the rise since 2014 or so
  - watwut 5y ago
    No. They went up in 2014 and 2015. They went down in 2016, 2017 and 2018.
micromacrofoot 5y ago
> But then there's been a huge rise in crime Is this actually true? I've seen a lot of people saying this politically but haven't seen a lot of data to back it up. From what I've seen there's been a slight bump, which isn't too surprising given the state of everything... but it's still massively dwarfed by the decrease in the 90s and 00s For example https://www.bbc.com/news/57581270 https://www.bbc.com/news/57581270
- ryan93 5y ago
  https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/27/what-we-know-about-the-increase-in-u-s-murders-in-2020/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/27/what-we-kno...
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    Thanks! this supports the fact that it's still lower than before the 90s decline, and possibly pandemic related. I guess we'll find out over the next few years. > Despite rising sharply in 2020, the U.S. murder rate remains below the levels of the early 1990s. > Americans remain far less likely to die from murder than from other causes, including from suicide and drug overdose.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Here property crime was up a little bit but violent crime was way up (50% or so). I personally think it's the stress and anxiety of lost jobs, loss of release valves (going to the office, seeing friends, etc). I believe it's a temporary spike and will fade in the next year or two.
pfranz 5y ago
From what I've seen there has been a recent rise in the murder rate. In some places it was at historical highs--but the cities are also much, much larger now. When looking at per-capita data its still historically low. You're right in that there doesn't seem to be a definitive cause, but quite a few things have changed since Covid started and we're not sure what changes are permanent.
gordian-mind 5y ago
That probably means that the main reason for the crime rate spike since the 60s is not lead but something else.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
Sure but it was an immensely stressful time for lots of people, that is going to drive up crimes of all types. Expect a similar (is not as drastic) drop in crime as well over the next couple of years.

watwut 5y ago

There was not huge rise in crime in general. There were more murders during lockdowns in US, which is in fact to be expected since people were forced to be with close relatives - and most murders are by close people.

bluedino 5y ago
Murders have been on the rise since 2014 or so
- watwut 5y ago
  No. They went up in 2014 and 2015. They went down in 2016, 2017 and 2018.

micromacrofoot 5y ago

> But then there's been a huge rise in crime Is this actually true? I've seen a lot of people saying this politically but haven't seen a lot of data to back it up. From what I've seen there's been a slight bump, which isn't too surprising given the state of everything... but it's still massively dwarfed by the decrease in the 90s and 00s For example https://www.bbc.com/news/57581270 https://www.bbc.com/news/57581270

ryan93 5y ago
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/27/what-we-know-about-the-increase-in-u-s-murders-in-2020/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/27/what-we-kno...
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  Thanks! this supports the fact that it's still lower than before the 90s decline, and possibly pandemic related. I guess we'll find out over the next few years. > Despite rising sharply in 2020, the U.S. murder rate remains below the levels of the early 1990s. > Americans remain far less likely to die from murder than from other causes, including from suicide and drug overdose.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
Here property crime was up a little bit but violent crime was way up (50% or so). I personally think it's the stress and anxiety of lost jobs, loss of release valves (going to the office, seeing friends, etc). I believe it's a temporary spike and will fade in the next year or two.

pfranz 5y ago

From what I've seen there has been a recent rise in the murder rate. In some places it was at historical highs--but the cities are also much, much larger now. When looking at per-capita data its still historically low. You're right in that there doesn't seem to be a definitive cause, but quite a few things have changed since Covid started and we're not sure what changes are permanent.

gordian-mind 5y ago

That probably means that the main reason for the crime rate spike since the 60s is not lead but something else.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

Sure but it was an immensely stressful time for lots of people, that is going to drive up crimes of all types. Expect a similar (is not as drastic) drop in crime as well over the next couple of years.