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What? I've used Rails professionally for over a decade and you'd be hard-pressed to find a better framework for web dev that maximises productivity to get to a

What? I've used Rails professionally for over a decade and you'd be hard-pressed to find a better framework for web dev that maximises productivity to get to a working product you can earn money from. You don't need to be involved with the Twitter aspect at all to benefit from the great aspects of Ruby and Rails.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
I firmly believed that as well, right up until I learned that the broader web dev world wasn’t as difficult, slow, or unproductive as the Rails world had tried to convince me it was. I haven’t done web dev for a very long time but I still don’t have any issues dropping into modern non-Rails frameworks and being productive. > You don't need to be involved with the Twitter aspect at all. It’s possible, yes, but the drama has become so pervasive that it’s going to come across your feeds and daily conversations even if you don’t want to see it. It raises questions about the future of the project when it’s so bad that multiple core developers are resigning over it. But most importantly: This level of drama doesn’t exist in most other projects. Yes, there is always some drama and conflict, but something about Rails takes it to the next level.
- andrewzah 5y ago
  I've been using rails more or less since 2014 and while there are other options for sure, nothing is quite as nice as rails in my opinion. I honestly have never heard about any of this drama. I never really pay attention to any of that stuff and it never has affected me or my rails projects in any noticeable way. I think this is a bit of an overreaction.
DetroitThrow 5y ago
The community and ecosystem of any PL or framework is an important consideration for people needing to interact with that ecosystem in a long term way when pushing improvements or working with those in charge of governance. A lot of people have loved rails as a project, but found important people in the community unprofessional for years - it's hard to want to invest in projects like that especially if its comparative advantage is claimed to be productivity.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

I firmly believed that as well, right up until I learned that the broader web dev world wasn’t as difficult, slow, or unproductive as the Rails world had tried to convince me it was. I haven’t done web dev for a very long time but I still don’t have any issues dropping into modern non-Rails frameworks and being productive. > You don't need to be involved with the Twitter aspect at all. It’s possible, yes, but the drama has become so pervasive that it’s going to come across your feeds and daily conversations even if you don’t want to see it. It raises questions about the future of the project when it’s so bad that multiple core developers are resigning over it. But most importantly: This level of drama doesn’t exist in most other projects. Yes, there is always some drama and conflict, but something about Rails takes it to the next level.

andrewzah 5y ago
I've been using rails more or less since 2014 and while there are other options for sure, nothing is quite as nice as rails in my opinion. I honestly have never heard about any of this drama. I never really pay attention to any of that stuff and it never has affected me or my rails projects in any noticeable way. I think this is a bit of an overreaction.

DetroitThrow 5y ago

The community and ecosystem of any PL or framework is an important consideration for people needing to interact with that ecosystem in a long term way when pushing improvements or working with those in charge of governance. A lot of people have loved rails as a project, but found important people in the community unprofessional for years - it's hard to want to invest in projects like that especially if its comparative advantage is claimed to be productivity.