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Is this related to DHH's blogpost about Railsconf?

by tsm 5y ago

afandian 5y ago
You mean this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30541345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30541345 ?
- thematrixturtle 5y ago
  Which in turn appears to be obliquely refer to this: https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/05/basecamp_political_discussion_apology/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/05/basecamp_political_di... This being Basecamp (of which DHH is CTO) issuing a "no politics" guideline, which was inevitably interpreted using the prevailing ideology of "if you're not with us you're against us".
  - onionisafruit 5y ago
    Thanks. I knew there must be something like that lurking behind the dhh post.
  - dhimes 5y ago
    Thank you. That's the missing piece— especially the last sentence.
  - worker_person 5y ago
    Been in this situation at a startup company. I refused to talk politics, only business. Which has been my policy for 20 years. This created a huge backlash against me, eventually I had to leave.
  - yebyen 5y ago
    > issuing a "no politics" guideline, which was inevitably interpreted using the prevailing ideology of "if you're not with us you're against us". There is a lot more to the story than this. If you want to know more about what happened in May 2021 and the events leading up to that, there is no shortage of information about it. It was well covered at the time, even by Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/agnesuhereczky/2021/05/09/why-do-diversity-and-inclusion-initiatives-fail-the-cautionary-tail-of-basecamp/?sh=35c171375ab1 https://www.forbes.com/sites/agnesuhereczky/2021/05/09/why-d... I just searched for "Basecamp Diversity Program" and this was the first thing that popped up. I am not inside of this community, but I've been a Rails user for literally hundreds of years. (And every year it seems like we're hearing again about how the community is really drama-free, from now on, no-takebacks...) The context for me is that the employees at Basecamp apparently cared more about a company-wide diversity and inclusion program than the founders, and when rubber met road (and the severance packages came out) they were willing to quit over it. Then, 8 or 9 months later, DHH publicly took both sides on a divisive issue, and everyone who was barely involved in the conversation (myself included) thought "hey, this must be the driver for $currentDrama." When really, it seems to have been DHH driving the drama all along. I mean, just look at the No RailsConf blog post. I mean really critically look at it. What small, narrow "opportunity for drama" was in this simple e-mail from the program committee, and yet here we are again, discussing it on a front-page HN post. DHH did that. And I'm guessing that RubyCentral program committee decided there was practically zero chance that DHH would not take his opportunity on stage to say something provocative or divisive, but I'm not on the program committee so really this is where my actual real effective insight level approaches the zero limit. I'm not taking sides, but I hate the perception that Ruby community is always full of drama. Now I'm hoping that geo-political and pandemic issues can subside for long enough to go to RailsConf, looking forward to a different keynote speaker, (and I'm sure there will be absolutely no drama of any kind!)
DetroitThrow 5y ago
Yes.

Is this related to DHH's blogpost about Railsconf?

by tsm 5y ago

Is this related to DHH's blogpost about Railsconf?

afandian 5y ago

You mean this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30541345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30541345 ?

thematrixturtle 5y ago
Which in turn appears to be obliquely refer to this: https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/05/basecamp_political_discussion_apology/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/05/basecamp_political_di... This being Basecamp (of which DHH is CTO) issuing a "no politics" guideline, which was inevitably interpreted using the prevailing ideology of "if you're not with us you're against us".
- onionisafruit 5y ago
  Thanks. I knew there must be something like that lurking behind the dhh post.
- dhimes 5y ago
  Thank you. That's the missing piece— especially the last sentence.
- worker_person 5y ago
  Been in this situation at a startup company. I refused to talk politics, only business. Which has been my policy for 20 years. This created a huge backlash against me, eventually I had to leave.
- yebyen 5y ago
  > issuing a "no politics" guideline, which was inevitably interpreted using the prevailing ideology of "if you're not with us you're against us". There is a lot more to the story than this. If you want to know more about what happened in May 2021 and the events leading up to that, there is no shortage of information about it. It was well covered at the time, even by Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/agnesuhereczky/2021/05/09/why-do-diversity-and-inclusion-initiatives-fail-the-cautionary-tail-of-basecamp/?sh=35c171375ab1 https://www.forbes.com/sites/agnesuhereczky/2021/05/09/why-d... I just searched for "Basecamp Diversity Program" and this was the first thing that popped up. I am not inside of this community, but I've been a Rails user for literally hundreds of years. (And every year it seems like we're hearing again about how the community is really drama-free, from now on, no-takebacks...) The context for me is that the employees at Basecamp apparently cared more about a company-wide diversity and inclusion program than the founders, and when rubber met road (and the severance packages came out) they were willing to quit over it. Then, 8 or 9 months later, DHH publicly took both sides on a divisive issue, and everyone who was barely involved in the conversation (myself included) thought "hey, this must be the driver for $currentDrama." When really, it seems to have been DHH driving the drama all along. I mean, just look at the No RailsConf blog post. I mean really critically look at it. What small, narrow "opportunity for drama" was in this simple e-mail from the program committee, and yet here we are again, discussing it on a front-page HN post. DHH did that. And I'm guessing that RubyCentral program committee decided there was practically zero chance that DHH would not take his opportunity on stage to say something provocative or divisive, but I'm not on the program committee so really this is where my actual real effective insight level approaches the zero limit. I'm not taking sides, but I hate the perception that Ruby community is always full of drama. Now I'm hoping that geo-political and pandemic issues can subside for long enough to go to RailsConf, looking forward to a different keynote speaker, (and I'm sure there will be absolutely no drama of any kind!)

DetroitThrow 5y ago

Yes.