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To be fair, this is not something that just happened recently, nor just in Japan (nor just by Russia). Airspace of multiple nations gets violated multiple times

To be fair, this is not something that just happened recently, nor just in Japan (nor just by Russia). Airspace of multiple nations gets violated multiple times per year by multiple nations, all the time. Although the timing makes it a bit suspected, I'm sure it's just a general test of "readiness", which happens often.

neetfreek 5y ago
Also recently four Russian jets violated Swedish airspace during joint Finnish-Swedish exercises. From the linked article, described by the Swedish airforce as '"particularly serious" given the current situation, [who] called the Russian actions unprofessional and irresponsible.' https://yle.fi/news/3-12341483 https://yle.fi/news/3-12341483
- chockchocschoir 5y ago
  As the sibling comment mentions, this happens constantly so I don't think it's as big news as some make it out to be. It's almost a weekly occurrence at this point.
belter 5y ago
It would seem Russia has more than 300 of these incidents just in 2019. "NATO says Russian aircraft violated European airspace nearly 300 times in 2019" https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian-aircraft-violate-european-airspace/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian-aircraft-violate-eur... However I cannot recall any incidents of the type: "French Mirages violate Russian Airspace" "Swedish Grippens's buzz Russian Cruiser..." or "UK Jets cross into Russian airspace" Not saying they do not happen, just that I can't recall any. Do you have some examples?
- chockchocschoir 5y ago
  > Not saying they do not happen, just that I can't recall any. Do you have some examples? You're gonna have to search for news from those countries instead. Try "нарушение воздушного пространства россии" on yandex, or "侵犯中国领空的行为" on baidu. English news hardly ever write about English-speaking countries violating other countries airspace, while the opposite is true too, you won't find news about Russians violating other countries airspace in Russian news.
  - belter 5y ago
    Tried as you suggested. All I found was propaganda, and one YouTube video that talked about NATO violating Russian airspace. It looked more like the marketing video you send to an Arab Sheikh or African dictator when trying to sell Russian arms. Do you have a specific event?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > Not saying they do not happen, just that I can't recall any. Do you have some examples? The U-2 and SR-71 flew deep into Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident We repeatedly enter Russia's ADIZ (https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/26/politics/russian-fighter-jets-escorted-us-air-force-bombers/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/26/politics/russian-fighter-jets...) and China's (https://breakingdefense.com/2013/11/chinas-new-defense-zone-drives-korea-japan-together/ https://breakingdefense.com/2013/11/chinas-new-defense-zone-...) and explicitly do not acknowledge other nations' ADIZs for military aircraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_(North_America) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zon...)
  - belter 5y ago
    Those are correct. But if you have to go back to the 60's and the core of the Cold War with the Soviet Union, I am going to think in the last 20 years there are not many events...
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      You certainly don't have to go that far back. https://twitter.com/SCS_PI/status/1373886128177041410 https://twitter.com/SCS_PI/status/1373886128177041410 Well inside China's ADIZ. (I'd also note the article with the headline "Russian aircraft violated European airspace nearly 300 times" actually uses "flying close to NATO airspace" in the text. Russia's doing the same thing we do - fly close, violating ADIZs, and testing responses.)
      - belter 5y ago
        The East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone is an air defense identification zone covering most of the East China Sea...:-) to which China has no claim. Tribunal Rejects Beijing’s Claims in South China Sea https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/world/asia/south-china-sea-hague-ruling-philippines.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/world/asia/south-china-se...
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  another thing that is very rare is that any of these states (apart from RU) shoots down a civil aircraft and then blames it on another country.

neetfreek 5y ago

Also recently four Russian jets violated Swedish airspace during joint Finnish-Swedish exercises. From the linked article, described by the Swedish airforce as '"particularly serious" given the current situation, [who] called the Russian actions unprofessional and irresponsible.' https://yle.fi/news/3-12341483 https://yle.fi/news/3-12341483

chockchocschoir 5y ago
As the sibling comment mentions, this happens constantly so I don't think it's as big news as some make it out to be. It's almost a weekly occurrence at this point.

belter 5y ago

It would seem Russia has more than 300 of these incidents just in 2019. "NATO says Russian aircraft violated European airspace nearly 300 times in 2019" https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian-aircraft-violate-european-airspace/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian-aircraft-violate-eur... However I cannot recall any incidents of the type: "French Mirages violate Russian Airspace" "Swedish Grippens's buzz Russian Cruiser..." or "UK Jets cross into Russian airspace" Not saying they do not happen, just that I can't recall any. Do you have some examples?

chockchocschoir 5y ago
> Not saying they do not happen, just that I can't recall any. Do you have some examples? You're gonna have to search for news from those countries instead. Try "нарушение воздушного пространства россии" on yandex, or "侵犯中国领空的行为" on baidu. English news hardly ever write about English-speaking countries violating other countries airspace, while the opposite is true too, you won't find news about Russians violating other countries airspace in Russian news.
- belter 5y ago
  Tried as you suggested. All I found was propaganda, and one YouTube video that talked about NATO violating Russian airspace. It looked more like the marketing video you send to an Arab Sheikh or African dictator when trying to sell Russian arms. Do you have a specific event?
ceejayoz 5y ago
> Not saying they do not happen, just that I can't recall any. Do you have some examples? The U-2 and SR-71 flew deep into Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident We repeatedly enter Russia's ADIZ (https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/26/politics/russian-fighter-jets-escorted-us-air-force-bombers/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/26/politics/russian-fighter-jets...) and China's (https://breakingdefense.com/2013/11/chinas-new-defense-zone-drives-korea-japan-together/ https://breakingdefense.com/2013/11/chinas-new-defense-zone-...) and explicitly do not acknowledge other nations' ADIZs for military aircraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_(North_America) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zon...)
- belter 5y ago
  Those are correct. But if you have to go back to the 60's and the core of the Cold War with the Soviet Union, I am going to think in the last 20 years there are not many events...
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    You certainly don't have to go that far back. https://twitter.com/SCS_PI/status/1373886128177041410 https://twitter.com/SCS_PI/status/1373886128177041410 Well inside China's ADIZ. (I'd also note the article with the headline "Russian aircraft violated European airspace nearly 300 times" actually uses "flying close to NATO airspace" in the text. Russia's doing the same thing we do - fly close, violating ADIZs, and testing responses.)
    - belter 5y ago
      The East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone is an air defense identification zone covering most of the East China Sea...:-) to which China has no claim. Tribunal Rejects Beijing’s Claims in South China Sea https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/world/asia/south-china-sea-hague-ruling-philippines.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/world/asia/south-china-se...
DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
another thing that is very rare is that any of these states (apart from RU) shoots down a civil aircraft and then blames it on another country.