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No, it would not be prudent. In fact, "permanently cutting off" an individual from "the west" just because they support something you don't agree with sets a ve

No, it would not be prudent. In fact, "permanently cutting off" an individual from "the west" just because they support something you don't agree with sets a very dangerous precedent and is many times worse than any war. It's screwed up that you're even suggesting this.

rosndo 5y ago
- pureliquidhw 5y ago
  Under duress you'd be surprised what you'd publicly support. It's not as if every Russian has the luxury to say what they want and not fear extreme retaliation. Instead of "Russians", think instead "diverse group of humans living under a violent, jealous, unpredictable regime." Just like victims of domestic abuse struggle to escape their abuser, it's not as easy to say "fuck off" or actually leave as keyboard pundits would have us believe. If you want some history about making lists, check out the McCarthy Trials.
  - throwaway5848 5y ago
    Or, they actually support the invasion, which is valid as well. I may not agree, but I think everyone can express support for any position. The only position that is invalid is censorship/suppression/thought control, because it cuts off communication.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    >Under duress you'd be surprised what you'd publicly support. >It's not as if every Russian has the luxury to say what they want and not fear extreme retaliation. I suspect that vast majority of people saying things like this haven’t even visited Russia. I own a home in Moscow, am married to a Russian. Our family has been hit hard by sanctions. I have skin in the game. Knowing what I know about the actual experience of living in Russia, I don’t believe any of these people are under duress to support this.
    - pureliquidhw 5y ago
      Fair point. Rectors enjoy a great deal of privilege, but heavy is the head that wears the crown. I don't have the Russian credentials you do so I'm only able to guess at reasons something so unreasonable can be supported.
      - rosndo 5y ago
        A huge amount of Russians genuinely support these things, rectors tend to be older so they definitely represent the most supportive demographic.
- throwaway5848 5y ago
  - dang 5y ago
    We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. This was bad enough, but https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30541975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30541975 is completely not ok. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 5y ago
  Attacking other users, as you've done here, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30580008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30580008, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434, is not allowed, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. If you continue to break the site guidelines we are going to have to ban you. I had to warn you about this just recently. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - rosndo 5y ago
    Is it really so bad to call out a throwaway account created for the sole purpose of violating HN rules? Calling someone a coward for throwing insults at me from a throwaway account is hardly inappropriate. The fact that you had to ban his account pretty much proves my point. > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30580008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30580008 Just calling things what they are. > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 There is no attack here, not even the mildest hostility. Pointing out that someone is talking out of their ass isn’t an “attack”.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - dang 5y ago
      You've clearly been breaking the rules repeatedly—this is not a borderline call. For example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 was certainly an attack by the standard we apply here. If it doesn't fit your own definition of the word, that's fine; but it's the kind of thing we ban accounts for, so we need you to stop posting like that if you want to keep commenting on HN. The rules apply regardless of how badly others are behaving. It always feels like the other person started it and did worse—this perception is hard-wired in all of us, so to use it as a justification guarantees a downward spiral. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=downward%20spiral%20by:dang&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=downward%20spiral%20by:dang&da...

rosndo 5y ago

pureliquidhw 5y ago
Under duress you'd be surprised what you'd publicly support. It's not as if every Russian has the luxury to say what they want and not fear extreme retaliation. Instead of "Russians", think instead "diverse group of humans living under a violent, jealous, unpredictable regime." Just like victims of domestic abuse struggle to escape their abuser, it's not as easy to say "fuck off" or actually leave as keyboard pundits would have us believe. If you want some history about making lists, check out the McCarthy Trials.
- throwaway5848 5y ago
  Or, they actually support the invasion, which is valid as well. I may not agree, but I think everyone can express support for any position. The only position that is invalid is censorship/suppression/thought control, because it cuts off communication.
- rosndo 5y ago
  >Under duress you'd be surprised what you'd publicly support. >It's not as if every Russian has the luxury to say what they want and not fear extreme retaliation. I suspect that vast majority of people saying things like this haven’t even visited Russia. I own a home in Moscow, am married to a Russian. Our family has been hit hard by sanctions. I have skin in the game. Knowing what I know about the actual experience of living in Russia, I don’t believe any of these people are under duress to support this.
  - pureliquidhw 5y ago
    Fair point. Rectors enjoy a great deal of privilege, but heavy is the head that wears the crown. I don't have the Russian credentials you do so I'm only able to guess at reasons something so unreasonable can be supported.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      A huge amount of Russians genuinely support these things, rectors tend to be older so they definitely represent the most supportive demographic.
throwaway5848 5y ago
- dang 5y ago
  We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. This was bad enough, but https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30541975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30541975 is completely not ok. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 5y ago
Attacking other users, as you've done here, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30580008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30580008, and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434, is not allowed, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. If you continue to break the site guidelines we are going to have to ban you. I had to warn you about this just recently. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- rosndo 5y ago
  Is it really so bad to call out a throwaway account created for the sole purpose of violating HN rules? Calling someone a coward for throwing insults at me from a throwaway account is hardly inappropriate. The fact that you had to ban his account pretty much proves my point. > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30580008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30580008 Just calling things what they are. > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 There is no attack here, not even the mildest hostility. Pointing out that someone is talking out of their ass isn’t an “attack”.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - dang 5y ago
    You've clearly been breaking the rules repeatedly—this is not a borderline call. For example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30577434 was certainly an attack by the standard we apply here. If it doesn't fit your own definition of the word, that's fine; but it's the kind of thing we ban accounts for, so we need you to stop posting like that if you want to keep commenting on HN. The rules apply regardless of how badly others are behaving. It always feels like the other person started it and did worse—this perception is hard-wired in all of us, so to use it as a justification guarantees a downward spiral. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=downward%20spiral%20by:dang&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=downward%20spiral%20by:dang&da...