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There's €2,43/Liter on the highway gas stations here in NL already...

fho 5y ago
Right now Diesel (2.09€/l) here is more expensive than Super E10 (2.04€/l) ... that's like the first time during my 35 years on this earth that that has happened.
- Ourgon 5y ago
  Here in Sweden Diesel has always been more expensive than petrol. Diesel is now over 25kr (€2.30), petrol around 22kr (€2.00). Electricity was €1/kWh this morning 07.00 - prices are set hourly.
  - vel0city 5y ago
    Such sky high prices. Wholesale energy prices in my area (Texas) this morning was USD$0.075/kWh not including delivery, and that's a bit pricier than normal. 87 octane is running ~USD$3.89/gal, ~€0.94/L. Natural Gas costs me ~USD$1.36/CCF including delivery and taxes.
    - Ourgon 5y ago
      The really obnoxious thing is that Sweden does not use gas nor much oil for electricity production. Hydropower and nuclear form the base load, wind and solar add when available, the peak load is mostly covered through oil but this was only needed in times of peak demand - read very cold winter nights. The "party for the environment" has forced the closure of half of the nuclear plants leading to an increased use of those peak plants but this is not the only thing which has driven up the prices here. They went up because prices outside of Sweden went up and Sweden is connected to the European power distribution network, making it possible for Swedish power to be sold to other countries. This in turn has led to sky-high prices here, an enormous boon for the government and extreme power bills for the rest.
belter 5y ago
For anybody in the US, we are talking about 10 dollars per gallon...
- exhilaration 5y ago
  So that's about double US prices -- why is the price so high in Europe? Or rather, is it low in the US because we're a big oil producer?
  - belter 5y ago
    Taxes: https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/fuel-prices-and-taxes/assessment-4 https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/fuel-pric...
  - dahfizz 5y ago
    The US also has cheaper 87 octane gas. All gas in Europe is the US equivalent of "premium" 93+ octane.
    - glogla 5y ago
      Isn't it just different numbering scheme? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
      - dahfizz 5y ago
        Go to the table and sort by (R+M)/2 . All European fuels have a value of 90+. The vast majority of USA fuel is at 87.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > So that's about double US prices -- why is the price so high in Europe? Mostly, high gas taxes. Gas taxes in some countries in Europe are as high as gas prices in some US states.
  - stonemetal12 5y ago

fho 5y ago

Right now Diesel (2.09€/l) here is more expensive than Super E10 (2.04€/l) ... that's like the first time during my 35 years on this earth that that has happened.

Ourgon 5y ago
Here in Sweden Diesel has always been more expensive than petrol. Diesel is now over 25kr (€2.30), petrol around 22kr (€2.00). Electricity was €1/kWh this morning 07.00 - prices are set hourly.
- vel0city 5y ago
  Such sky high prices. Wholesale energy prices in my area (Texas) this morning was USD$0.075/kWh not including delivery, and that's a bit pricier than normal. 87 octane is running ~USD$3.89/gal, ~€0.94/L. Natural Gas costs me ~USD$1.36/CCF including delivery and taxes.
  - Ourgon 5y ago
    The really obnoxious thing is that Sweden does not use gas nor much oil for electricity production. Hydropower and nuclear form the base load, wind and solar add when available, the peak load is mostly covered through oil but this was only needed in times of peak demand - read very cold winter nights. The "party for the environment" has forced the closure of half of the nuclear plants leading to an increased use of those peak plants but this is not the only thing which has driven up the prices here. They went up because prices outside of Sweden went up and Sweden is connected to the European power distribution network, making it possible for Swedish power to be sold to other countries. This in turn has led to sky-high prices here, an enormous boon for the government and extreme power bills for the rest.

belter 5y ago

For anybody in the US, we are talking about 10 dollars per gallon...

exhilaration 5y ago
So that's about double US prices -- why is the price so high in Europe? Or rather, is it low in the US because we're a big oil producer?
- belter 5y ago
  Taxes: https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/fuel-prices-and-taxes/assessment-4 https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/fuel-pric...
- dahfizz 5y ago
  The US also has cheaper 87 octane gas. All gas in Europe is the US equivalent of "premium" 93+ octane.
  - glogla 5y ago
    Isn't it just different numbering scheme? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
    - dahfizz 5y ago
      Go to the table and sort by (R+M)/2 . All European fuels have a value of 90+. The vast majority of USA fuel is at 87.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > So that's about double US prices -- why is the price so high in Europe? Mostly, high gas taxes. Gas taxes in some countries in Europe are as high as gas prices in some US states.
- stonemetal12 5y ago