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Not sure which side makes most use of propaganda. Since we've witnessed how nato won't go help it's de facto ally, it wouldn't be intellectually honest to say C
by hirako2000 5y ago
Not sure which side makes most use of propaganda. Since we've witnessed how nato won't go help it's de facto ally, it wouldn't be intellectually honest to say China is a propagandist for saying it won't protect Taiwan either. All they will do putting is economical sanctions.
The irony of propagandists calling each other awful propagandists.
- throwuxiytayq 5y agoSpeaking of intellectual honesty, I seriously cannot fathom how people can even compare the propaganda (and the enforcement methods) employed by both sides of the conflict.
- hirako2000 5y agoi would agree the methods seem different, but the western forms of propaganda are likely more effective. to me far more dangerous, since they work brilliantly.
- yucky 5y agoWe had this discussion today, by simply asking a room of people to explain Russia's reasoning for invading Ukraine (justified or not). Almost nobody knew, which means our propaganda in the West is QUITE effective.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
- erichocean 5y agoLibya and Kosovo and Iraq all say "hi!" (All three were subject to, ahem, "special military operations" by explicitly NATO troops in the last 30 years.) But you're right of course: NATO is supposed to be purely defensive. In practice, though, not so much. In fact, as I write this, NATO members are providing weapons to Ukraine despite no NATO member being attacked, or threatened with attack. Yet another "special military operation" for NATO in the last 30 days. At least it's for a good cause…
- NicoJuicy 5y agoHi, A multi-state NATO-led intervention is not NATO. Iraq was wrong and for Libya and Kosovo there were plausible indications for actual peacekeeping missions. Since both had severe issues at the time, which weren't solved in case of Libya. One of the things is that US ( after 9/11) had their own reasons for overdoing "war on terrorism". Which I do in fact don't agree with as with many others then - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War ( it triggered the largest protest in the world . I joined the protest 2 times as 16 year old fyi ) But again, that is not NATO and they don't trigger any article. Note: Kosovo indeed wants to say hi, concerning NATO membership - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kosovo-parliament-urges-government-start-nato-membership-bid-2022-03-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kosovo-parliament-urges...
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- allisdust 5y agoOn paper, NATO nations should all be protecting each other. Whether that actually happens in practice against an adversary having nukes is yet to be seen. Its a valid open question.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoI don't think there would be any doubt about this. NATO is the best option many countries have and that's exactly the reason why Finland and Sweden now want to join.
- indymike 5y ago> Its a valid open question I think this is a dangerous thing to question. The last thing the world needs is an armageddon pop quiz.
- incompatible 5y agoNATO isn't ready to start WW3 for a "de facto ally". In theory, they'll do it for a full paid-up member.
- plussed_reader 5y agoOne of the times it doesn't pay to be a 'non-member of a union house'.
- VictorPath 5y ago
- hirako2000 5y agodaring to mention anomalies in the western establishment speech will only lead to down votes, without anyone really addressing your point of course.
- zthrowaway 5y agoIn my opinion the West has to rely on propaganda far more than an authoritarian government, where they can just force people into doing what they want. In the west you have to convince and brainwash them into doing what you want.