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So what else is the goal? How many dead Ukrainians to achieve which goal in which way? Please be specific edit: I get that this sound snarky, but it will hopef

So what else is the goal? How many dead Ukrainians to achieve which goal in which way? Please be specific edit: I get that this sound snarky, but it will hopefully drive home the point. Unless you have a 3rd alternative to agreeing what ever the man with the nukes understands under "demilitarization and denazification" and joining a death cult with mandatory membership i dont really get what i can tell you.

sofixa 5y ago
> So what else is the goal? How many dead Ukrainians to achieve which goal in which way For Russia to leave them alone, and however it takes. Russia's economy is falling apart, and their army is in brutally terrible shape. They couldn't possibly occupy the country, even if they manage to conquer it, which they don't seem to be able to do. So victory for Ukraine is certain, ultimately. It will take time and cost a lot of blood and destruction, but the alternative isn't great either - being subjugated by a brutal tyrant who has no qualms murdering those who oppose him isn't a walk in the park either.
- q1w2 5y ago
  You're so brave with other people's lives.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    I'm not making the choice for anyone. Ukrainians are deciding for themselves and bravely fighting against the invaders.
- MrRiddle 5y ago
  So in other words, you’re prepared to fight to the last Ukrainian, as long as it hurts Russia?
  - sofixa 5y ago
    No, Ukrainians seem to prefer to fight to the last man/woman, and considering the weaknesses that Russia reeks of, they have realistic hope.
  - lalaland1125 5y ago
    Why are you denying the agency of the Ukrainian people? They are the ones choosing to fight. Look at the polls. Look at the interviews. Look at all the people there voluntarily picking up arms to defend their country.
xdennis 5y ago
> How many dead Ukrainians to achieve which goal in which way? Russians, not Ukrainians. Ukrainians will defend their country and the Russians won't have the stomach for a prolonged insurgency, just like in Afghanistan. Afghanistan led to the fall of the USSR, and Ukraine will now lead to the fall and breakup of Russia.
- cf141q5325 5y ago
  A prolonged insurgency needs Ukrainians there to fight. That is something Russia can fix. What ever solution you propose will have a cost in Ukrainian lives and that cost is largely determined with what Russia is willing to do. With their ruthlessness reducing their casualties massively.

sofixa 5y ago

> So what else is the goal? How many dead Ukrainians to achieve which goal in which way For Russia to leave them alone, and however it takes. Russia's economy is falling apart, and their army is in brutally terrible shape. They couldn't possibly occupy the country, even if they manage to conquer it, which they don't seem to be able to do. So victory for Ukraine is certain, ultimately. It will take time and cost a lot of blood and destruction, but the alternative isn't great either - being subjugated by a brutal tyrant who has no qualms murdering those who oppose him isn't a walk in the park either.

q1w2 5y ago
You're so brave with other people's lives.
- sofixa 5y ago
  I'm not making the choice for anyone. Ukrainians are deciding for themselves and bravely fighting against the invaders.
MrRiddle 5y ago
So in other words, you’re prepared to fight to the last Ukrainian, as long as it hurts Russia?
- sofixa 5y ago
  No, Ukrainians seem to prefer to fight to the last man/woman, and considering the weaknesses that Russia reeks of, they have realistic hope.
- lalaland1125 5y ago
  Why are you denying the agency of the Ukrainian people? They are the ones choosing to fight. Look at the polls. Look at the interviews. Look at all the people there voluntarily picking up arms to defend their country.

xdennis 5y ago

> How many dead Ukrainians to achieve which goal in which way? Russians, not Ukrainians. Ukrainians will defend their country and the Russians won't have the stomach for a prolonged insurgency, just like in Afghanistan. Afghanistan led to the fall of the USSR, and Ukraine will now lead to the fall and breakup of Russia.

cf141q5325 5y ago
A prolonged insurgency needs Ukrainians there to fight. That is something Russia can fix. What ever solution you propose will have a cost in Ukrainian lives and that cost is largely determined with what Russia is willing to do. With their ruthlessness reducing their casualties massively.