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> This is the only type of rationality. What are you imagining when you say "objectively rational"? I really disagree. For starters, I would put "not tank your

> This is the only type of rationality. What are you imagining when you say "objectively rational"? I really disagree. For starters, I would put "not tank your economy into the stone age" firmly into the objectively rational category of thinking. How can this war ever be "worth it" for Putin? Ukrainians will never accept the occupation force and RUSSIA DOESNT EVEN HAVE ONE to begin with. They cannot at all maintain an occupation in the Ukraine. Incapable. This was a spear-head blitzkrieg operation aimed at replacing Selenskij within a week that was poorly planned and immediately failed and now they are completely and utterly screwed. Putin made this decision based off bad information fed to him - a downside when suppressing your subordinates, keeping bootlickers around and punishing differing opinions. The objective results are going to be really difficult for Russia at best if not outright destructive. And it was all voluntary.

hef19898 5y ago
Pretty good summary. Personally, I would have thought that Putin is smarter than this, I really did. Dangerous, deeply undemocratic for sure, but not stupid. He played the West, and NATO, for years as he pleased. He created opportunities for Russia and China that didn't even remotely exist before. And then he threw all that away for a pointless war, one he might very well be loosing, a war that will only drive even more of hos direct neighbors into the arms of NATO. A war that also creates the global climate that those countries can, without any big problems, actually join NATO. All that while isolating his country, destroying his legacy and utterly ruining Russia's economy, to a point where he might very well throw Russia back to the early 90s. No idea why he thought any of that was worth the risk...
alephnan 5y ago
> How can this war ever be "worth it" for Putin? Ukrainians will never accept the occupation force You're assuming an occupation of all of Ukraine is the endgame.

hef19898 5y ago

Pretty good summary. Personally, I would have thought that Putin is smarter than this, I really did. Dangerous, deeply undemocratic for sure, but not stupid. He played the West, and NATO, for years as he pleased. He created opportunities for Russia and China that didn't even remotely exist before. And then he threw all that away for a pointless war, one he might very well be loosing, a war that will only drive even more of hos direct neighbors into the arms of NATO. A war that also creates the global climate that those countries can, without any big problems, actually join NATO. All that while isolating his country, destroying his legacy and utterly ruining Russia's economy, to a point where he might very well throw Russia back to the early 90s. No idea why he thought any of that was worth the risk...

alephnan 5y ago

> How can this war ever be "worth it" for Putin? Ukrainians will never accept the occupation force You're assuming an occupation of all of Ukraine is the endgame.