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I think healthy/unhealthy is not just about "very healthy diet, good fitness routine, good sleep, low stress, and no other health issues" It's actually also ab

I think healthy/unhealthy is not just about "very healthy diet, good fitness routine, good sleep, low stress, and no other health issues" It's actually also about regularly stressing your body with things like cold/hot exposure (using natural elements/seasons), for example a pragmatic daily fitness (for example commuting with a bike) instead of a more 'artificial' fitness in a gym, an organic diet foraged yourself (with enough knowledge of course) instead of bought from shops, getting sometimes sick and recovering, reinforcing immunity

cleancoder0 5y ago
It's not that complicated. Some people are unlucky. There is nothing one can do to avoid disease eventually. Some people start getting sick in their 80s, some die healthy & peacefully in their sleep in their 90s and some get cancer being <10 years old.
- danuker 5y ago
  > There is nothing one can do to avoid disease eventually. You can move where this cancer is rare. https://ourworldindata.org/cancer#the-prevalence-of-cancer-around-the-world https://ourworldindata.org/cancer#the-prevalence-of-cancer-a... Or better yet, optimize for a total healthy lifespan, not just against cancer: https://ourworldindata.org/burden-of-disease#the-global-distribution-of-the-disease-burden https://ourworldindata.org/burden-of-disease#the-global-dist...
  - modo_mario 5y ago
    > You can move where this cancer is rare. I figure some of those light coloured countries have more people simply not getting a diagnosis. Additionally going to central africa as a white person might increase your chance of skincancer enough to offset any reduced of other cancers. It's probably better to just go to where people live the longest and adjust to the local diet/rythm, etc
  - mmmmmbop 5y ago
    These are really interesting maps, but I'm missing a few important data points. For the cancer one, I feel like it's misleading. E.g. Russia and Central Africa might be low in cancer because of their low life expectancy, and Central Africa additionally because of its majority black population (which I assume to be less prone to skin cancer). As a white person, I believe it would be a mistake to move to Central Africa expecting to reduce one's skin cancer risk, as evidenced by the high skin cancer rates of white people in South Africa or Australia. So for that map it would be great to be able to filter it by age group and ethnicity. The disability-adjusted life years (DALY) one seems much more useful. What stands out there is how much healthier people are on average in Western Europe compared to the U.S. Perhaps that is in part because of the more egalitarian societies and health care systems in European countries, which greatly improve the health of the less well-off. I wonder if that comes at the cost of the better-off, i.e. if say the top 10% in the U.S. are actually healthier in the U.S. than in Europe. It would be interesting to be able to filter by income level.
    - danuker 5y ago
      > might be low in cancer because of their low life expectancy No, the cancer rates are "measured as the age-standardized percentage". But skin color definitely plays a role, at least in skin cancer, and I don't think the figures account for it. I did not think of that, thank you!
    - danuker 5y ago
      > the more egalitarian societies and health care systems As someone from Romania, I believe that is true. But since joining the EU, we've also seen changes in food laws, which have a large impact on health. For example, recently it became mandatory to label citrus fruit when it was treated with preservatives, to know whether the peel is edible. People used to consume the peel regardless; now more people are aware. There is also an important difference between "flavorings" and "natural flavorings". For instance, artificial butter flavoring causes "popcorn lung".
      - samatman 5y ago
        Your last paragraph goes off the rails a bit, the diacetyl in ordinary butter is no better for your lungs than its synthetic equivalent. If there's a difference it's the amount of exposure, not whether the identical molecule comes from in vitro synthesis rather than in vivo.
Tenoke 5y ago
This all seems like bad advice stemming from some naturalistic fallacy. >a pragmatic daily fitness (for example commuting with a bike) instead of a more 'artificial' fitness For example this just seems random. Driving a bike is not even more natural (were there bikes in the EEA) and if anything will just expose you to more polluted air, and increase your risk of dying by a car crash compared to gym alternatives. This doesn't mean biking is bad compared to not doing anything but that's not the claim here.
- 11235813213455 5y ago
  "expose you to more polluted air" It's actually quite wrong, compared to cars for example https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/13/cyclists-exposed-to-less-air-pollution-than-drivers-on-congested-routes-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/13/cyclists...
  - Tenoke 5y ago
    You were comparing to working out indoors not working out in a car initially.
    - 11235813213455 5y ago
      sure, but most people would use cars for commuting to different places, including their indoor gym, and the other idea is practical working out (commuting is your working out)
schrijver 5y ago
You can take it as far as you want to—and then you can still get cancer. A healthy lifestyle helps put the odds in your favour, but is no guarantee whatsoever.
axiomsEnd 5y ago
How much can you forage in North USA or Europe outside season, and, regardless of season - without getting in troubles with law?

cleancoder0 5y ago

It's not that complicated. Some people are unlucky. There is nothing one can do to avoid disease eventually. Some people start getting sick in their 80s, some die healthy & peacefully in their sleep in their 90s and some get cancer being <10 years old.

danuker 5y ago
> There is nothing one can do to avoid disease eventually. You can move where this cancer is rare. https://ourworldindata.org/cancer#the-prevalence-of-cancer-around-the-world https://ourworldindata.org/cancer#the-prevalence-of-cancer-a... Or better yet, optimize for a total healthy lifespan, not just against cancer: https://ourworldindata.org/burden-of-disease#the-global-distribution-of-the-disease-burden https://ourworldindata.org/burden-of-disease#the-global-dist...
- modo_mario 5y ago
  > You can move where this cancer is rare. I figure some of those light coloured countries have more people simply not getting a diagnosis. Additionally going to central africa as a white person might increase your chance of skincancer enough to offset any reduced of other cancers. It's probably better to just go to where people live the longest and adjust to the local diet/rythm, etc
- mmmmmbop 5y ago
  These are really interesting maps, but I'm missing a few important data points. For the cancer one, I feel like it's misleading. E.g. Russia and Central Africa might be low in cancer because of their low life expectancy, and Central Africa additionally because of its majority black population (which I assume to be less prone to skin cancer). As a white person, I believe it would be a mistake to move to Central Africa expecting to reduce one's skin cancer risk, as evidenced by the high skin cancer rates of white people in South Africa or Australia. So for that map it would be great to be able to filter it by age group and ethnicity. The disability-adjusted life years (DALY) one seems much more useful. What stands out there is how much healthier people are on average in Western Europe compared to the U.S. Perhaps that is in part because of the more egalitarian societies and health care systems in European countries, which greatly improve the health of the less well-off. I wonder if that comes at the cost of the better-off, i.e. if say the top 10% in the U.S. are actually healthier in the U.S. than in Europe. It would be interesting to be able to filter by income level.
  - danuker 5y ago
    > might be low in cancer because of their low life expectancy No, the cancer rates are "measured as the age-standardized percentage". But skin color definitely plays a role, at least in skin cancer, and I don't think the figures account for it. I did not think of that, thank you!
  - danuker 5y ago
    > the more egalitarian societies and health care systems As someone from Romania, I believe that is true. But since joining the EU, we've also seen changes in food laws, which have a large impact on health. For example, recently it became mandatory to label citrus fruit when it was treated with preservatives, to know whether the peel is edible. People used to consume the peel regardless; now more people are aware. There is also an important difference between "flavorings" and "natural flavorings". For instance, artificial butter flavoring causes "popcorn lung".
    - samatman 5y ago
      Your last paragraph goes off the rails a bit, the diacetyl in ordinary butter is no better for your lungs than its synthetic equivalent. If there's a difference it's the amount of exposure, not whether the identical molecule comes from in vitro synthesis rather than in vivo.

Tenoke 5y ago

This all seems like bad advice stemming from some naturalistic fallacy. >a pragmatic daily fitness (for example commuting with a bike) instead of a more 'artificial' fitness For example this just seems random. Driving a bike is not even more natural (were there bikes in the EEA) and if anything will just expose you to more polluted air, and increase your risk of dying by a car crash compared to gym alternatives. This doesn't mean biking is bad compared to not doing anything but that's not the claim here.

11235813213455 5y ago
"expose you to more polluted air" It's actually quite wrong, compared to cars for example https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/13/cyclists-exposed-to-less-air-pollution-than-drivers-on-congested-routes-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/13/cyclists...
- Tenoke 5y ago
  You were comparing to working out indoors not working out in a car initially.
  - 11235813213455 5y ago
    sure, but most people would use cars for commuting to different places, including their indoor gym, and the other idea is practical working out (commuting is your working out)

schrijver 5y ago

You can take it as far as you want to—and then you can still get cancer. A healthy lifestyle helps put the odds in your favour, but is no guarantee whatsoever.

axiomsEnd 5y ago

How much can you forage in North USA or Europe outside season, and, regardless of season - without getting in troubles with law?