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World you like to see photos? There are many posted on some of the darker subreddits.

by buffalo2391 5y ago

hef19898 5y ago
The question is about evidence, not photos on some forum.
- avh02 5y ago
  And photos were never used in court?
  - hef19898 5y ago
    If you analyze them, and back them up, sure. If you take them from an un-vetted source on the internet, not so much. Wouldn't be the first time pictures from different wars were used as "evidence" for crimes in another war.
curiousgal 5y ago
Honestly, I stopped using Reddit, the amount of Ukranian propaganda has been through the roof. People are romanticizing the war. I log in to look at memes and cat videos and instead watch kids making molotoves. I have no horse in this race, propoganda is propoganda.
- hef19898 5y ago
  It sure is. Ukraine is using that weapon masterfully so. Kudos for that, and I really mean it. The net result for me being that I ignore the news and only check once every couple of days if a major city has fallen or not. Everything else is just propaganda, including most media coverage, combined with the normal attention and click gathering reporting we se on any story. That's why confirmation and vetting by orgs like, e.g., Human Rights Watch is so important.
- adhesive_wombat 5y ago
  I have had family abroad (not Russia) tell me that the media there is reporting that Ukrainian paramilitary forces, including released prisoners, forcibly prevented their own citizens leaving and collapsed the humanitarian corridors[1]. And the problem is, it's actually not completely outside the realms of possiblity, and I have no way to know. As far as I'm aware, the Ukrainians are fighting the good fight, but that's what I _would_ think. When the propaganda is flying this thick and this fast, maybe I'm as bamboozled as anyone else. On the other hand shrugging and going "dunno, both sides lol" seems pretty ghoulish when the civilians are being killed and homes and cities bombed to nothing. [1] I do not know where they got that from but it would have been TV. Trying to figure out where that comes from using only sources I can find leads me to a combination of the (apparently true) report that prisoners with military experience are released if they fight against Russia[2] and a TASS(!) report that Ukraine is responsible for collapsing the corridors[3]. [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-army-russia-prisoners-jail-b2024985.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-army... amongst others [3] https://tass.com/politics/1417527 https://tass.com/politics/1417527
  - 331c8c71 5y ago
    > at the media there is reporting that Ukrainian paramilitary forces ... forcibly prevented their own citizens leaving and collapsed the humanitarian corridors That's no secret, that's pretty much from official statements of Russian officials. Al Jazeera reports what both sides are saying. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/7/russian-military-conscripts-will-not-go-to-ukraine-putin-liveblog https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/7/russian-military-con...
    - sofixa 5y ago
      > That's no secret, that's pretty much from official statements of Russian officials. As if the official statements of Russian officials are worth the toilet paper said officials use. Did you miss all the blatant bullshit they said up to and during the invasion? That it's only military exercises, that they're pulling back troops, that they're only on a small special operation, etc. Why would anyone trust them?
mytailorisrich 5y ago
Photos of victims are not evidence of much in themselves. Civilians can be hit in cross-fire. So you need evidence that civilians were targeted. Then, you need evidence of whom targeted them, which may or may not be that simple to find. At the moment, all pictures and accounts in the media and online are purely emotional because the aim is to provoke emotional reactions, not cool-headed analysis.

World you like to see photos? There are many posted on some of the darker subreddits.

hef19898 5y ago

The question is about evidence, not photos on some forum.

avh02 5y ago
And photos were never used in court?
- hef19898 5y ago
  If you analyze them, and back them up, sure. If you take them from an un-vetted source on the internet, not so much. Wouldn't be the first time pictures from different wars were used as "evidence" for crimes in another war.

curiousgal 5y ago

Honestly, I stopped using Reddit, the amount of Ukranian propaganda has been through the roof. People are romanticizing the war. I log in to look at memes and cat videos and instead watch kids making molotoves. I have no horse in this race, propoganda is propoganda.

hef19898 5y ago
It sure is. Ukraine is using that weapon masterfully so. Kudos for that, and I really mean it. The net result for me being that I ignore the news and only check once every couple of days if a major city has fallen or not. Everything else is just propaganda, including most media coverage, combined with the normal attention and click gathering reporting we se on any story. That's why confirmation and vetting by orgs like, e.g., Human Rights Watch is so important.
adhesive_wombat 5y ago
I have had family abroad (not Russia) tell me that the media there is reporting that Ukrainian paramilitary forces, including released prisoners, forcibly prevented their own citizens leaving and collapsed the humanitarian corridors[1]. And the problem is, it's actually not completely outside the realms of possiblity, and I have no way to know. As far as I'm aware, the Ukrainians are fighting the good fight, but that's what I _would_ think. When the propaganda is flying this thick and this fast, maybe I'm as bamboozled as anyone else. On the other hand shrugging and going "dunno, both sides lol" seems pretty ghoulish when the civilians are being killed and homes and cities bombed to nothing. [1] I do not know where they got that from but it would have been TV. Trying to figure out where that comes from using only sources I can find leads me to a combination of the (apparently true) report that prisoners with military experience are released if they fight against Russia[2] and a TASS(!) report that Ukraine is responsible for collapsing the corridors[3]. [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-army-russia-prisoners-jail-b2024985.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-army... amongst others [3] https://tass.com/politics/1417527 https://tass.com/politics/1417527
- 331c8c71 5y ago
  > at the media there is reporting that Ukrainian paramilitary forces ... forcibly prevented their own citizens leaving and collapsed the humanitarian corridors That's no secret, that's pretty much from official statements of Russian officials. Al Jazeera reports what both sides are saying. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/7/russian-military-conscripts-will-not-go-to-ukraine-putin-liveblog https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/7/russian-military-con...
  - sofixa 5y ago
    > That's no secret, that's pretty much from official statements of Russian officials. As if the official statements of Russian officials are worth the toilet paper said officials use. Did you miss all the blatant bullshit they said up to and during the invasion? That it's only military exercises, that they're pulling back troops, that they're only on a small special operation, etc. Why would anyone trust them?

mytailorisrich 5y ago

Photos of victims are not evidence of much in themselves. Civilians can be hit in cross-fire. So you need evidence that civilians were targeted. Then, you need evidence of whom targeted them, which may or may not be that simple to find. At the moment, all pictures and accounts in the media and online are purely emotional because the aim is to provoke emotional reactions, not cool-headed analysis.