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The green new deal will just be a blank check, managed by politicians. It'll be a catch all where every political wishlist item and special interest will jump o

The green new deal will just be a blank check, managed by politicians. It'll be a catch all where every political wishlist item and special interest will jump on the bandwagon with zero scrutiny or oversight. I am not very hopeful that it will have a good result. Let's focus on high ROI climate mitigation projects driven by the people who actually know what they are doing and can execute on those ideas.

DFHippie 5y ago
The Green New Deal has actual proposals. In other words, it is not a blank check. Writing it off with platitudes is not a serious response. Conversely, saying "Let's focus on high ROI climate mitigation projects" etc. is just writing yourself a blank check. There is no concrete proposal, just an assertion that certain people should get the power and funding. Give them the cash and they'll solve it for us.
- tick_tock_tick 5y ago
  Yeah but they were shit proposals that just tried to attach a bunch of random progressive ideas to carbon neutral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Green_New_Deal_Resolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Green_New_Deal_... > "Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States." "Providing all people of the United States with – (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature."
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- belval 5y ago
  Going through the Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Green_New_Deal_Resolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Green_New_Deal_...) it is pretty much a blank check, saying "we have to be 100% carbon free by 2050" isn't an actual proposal, it's just a goal. I am not American, this is an actual good faith assessment as I don't have a favorite "party".
  - DFHippie 5y ago
    The Green New Deal, as it says in that article, is not a particular proposed piece of legislation but a collection of proposals. Nonetheless, each of these does contain particular proposals. And you didn't pick a proposal, you picked a goal. A sample actual proposal is "invest x dollars over y years upgrading the electrical grid as a necessary precursor to more widespread adoption of variable but renewable power sources". "Invest x dollars over y years to subsidize the transition to electrified transportation", i.e., tax incentives and grants to build charging stations and get people to buy electric cars -- another proposal. These have actually been worked out in excruciating detail in one Green New Deal-esque legislative proposal: the Build Back Better plan. They had to work it out in detail because they had to put a pricetag to it so they could submit it to the Congressional Budget Office. This legislation has a vast amount of detail, but maddeningly its opponents deride it both for being too detailed ("Who could read this doorstop!? We don't know what we're voting on! Government red tape!") and for being a blank check.
- m_ke 5y ago
  Here's the original proposal from Sanders' campaign: https://berniesanders.com/issues/green-new-deal/ https://berniesanders.com/issues/green-new-deal/

DFHippie 5y ago

The Green New Deal has actual proposals. In other words, it is not a blank check. Writing it off with platitudes is not a serious response. Conversely, saying "Let's focus on high ROI climate mitigation projects" etc. is just writing yourself a blank check. There is no concrete proposal, just an assertion that certain people should get the power and funding. Give them the cash and they'll solve it for us.

tick_tock_tick 5y ago
Yeah but they were shit proposals that just tried to attach a bunch of random progressive ideas to carbon neutral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Green_New_Deal_Resolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Green_New_Deal_... > "Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States." "Providing all people of the United States with – (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature."
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belval 5y ago
Going through the Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Green_New_Deal_Resolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#Green_New_Deal_...) it is pretty much a blank check, saying "we have to be 100% carbon free by 2050" isn't an actual proposal, it's just a goal. I am not American, this is an actual good faith assessment as I don't have a favorite "party".
- DFHippie 5y ago
  The Green New Deal, as it says in that article, is not a particular proposed piece of legislation but a collection of proposals. Nonetheless, each of these does contain particular proposals. And you didn't pick a proposal, you picked a goal. A sample actual proposal is "invest x dollars over y years upgrading the electrical grid as a necessary precursor to more widespread adoption of variable but renewable power sources". "Invest x dollars over y years to subsidize the transition to electrified transportation", i.e., tax incentives and grants to build charging stations and get people to buy electric cars -- another proposal. These have actually been worked out in excruciating detail in one Green New Deal-esque legislative proposal: the Build Back Better plan. They had to work it out in detail because they had to put a pricetag to it so they could submit it to the Congressional Budget Office. This legislation has a vast amount of detail, but maddeningly its opponents deride it both for being too detailed ("Who could read this doorstop!? We don't know what we're voting on! Government red tape!") and for being a blank check.
m_ke 5y ago
Here's the original proposal from Sanders' campaign: https://berniesanders.com/issues/green-new-deal/ https://berniesanders.com/issues/green-new-deal/