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No, the science is very very clear on that questions: it's absolutely in favor of poly-unsaturated fats. There is however a pocket of quacks and grifters on the

by tpush 5y ago

No, the science is very very clear on that questions: it's absolutely in favor of poly-unsaturated fats. There is however a pocket of quacks and grifters on the internet concocting conspiracy theories about nutritional organizations/guidelines to sell books and whatnot.

voldacar 5y ago
So as americans have been eating more and more Omega-6 & PUFAs over the last century or so, they've been getting healthier and healthier, right? Maybe you can share some more predictions of your model.
- tpush 5y ago
  No, that obviously doesn't follow. Current scientific thinking is that ultra-processed, ultra-palatable food high in both sugar and fat is likely responsible for the obesity epidemic. Of course, the fat in those foods is, most of the time, vegetable oils (because they're cheap & most of them are healthier than their animal counterparts). However, it absolutely doesn't follow that vegetable oil in particular is the driver here. If one switched all of the vegetable oil in ultra-processed, ultra-palatable food with animal fats the result will very likely be exactly the same, except for an increase in CVD due to the increased saturated fat content.
colordrops 5y ago
Sounds like you are in one of the camps. If you are going to call out "the science" and speak disparagingly, you'd better provide references. Preferably comprehensive analysis, and not a few cherry picked studies. Otherwise you are just adding to the noise.
- tpush 5y ago
  You are free to peruse the reports by pretty much every national nutrition & dietetics organization in the world; they already did the hard work of combing through and evaluating all relevant studies in that area. Any individual "assessment" of the scientific literature by someone who doesn't have scientific training in general or in that particular area is much more likely to result misleading or even dangerous conclusions.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    Are you saying you have scientific training in the area? Because you made a clear assessment.
    - tpush 5y ago
      No, I repeated the position of organizations like the AHA, not read a couple studies and made up my own mind.
      - colordrops 5y ago
        OK, presumably you'd also need scientific training to discount papers and theories as well. How are you coming to the conclusion about the quackery of other theories?
hollerith 5y ago
You mean quacks and grifters like Dale Bredesen, MD, researcher in Alzheimer's, who recommends everyone omit oils except olive, avocado and coconut oil entirely from their diets because they promote chronic inflammation? (Bredesen probably does not maintain that coconut oil is good for you, just that it doesn't have the problem of contributing to chronic inflammation.)
- tpush 5y ago
  Yes, exactly like that [0]: "In her editorial in the Lancet Neurology, published in May 2020, Joanna Hellmuth, MD, of the UCSF Memory and Aging Center, said the “Bredesen protocol” – named by neurologist Dale Bredesen, MD – has reeled in patients and their families seeking hope outside of the physician’s office for a disease that is currently incurable. The Bredesen protocol is propounded in his 2017 bestseller and can be accessed for $1,399, which includes protocol assessments, lab tests and contact with practitioners, who provide the regimen for additional fees. Online support and cognitive games are available for an additional monthly charge. A follow-up book will come out in August, aimed at anyone concerned about their memory. The three papers, which were published in 2014, 2016 and 2018, and are cited as evidence that the Bredesen protocol is effective, have major flaws, said Hellmuth, who is also affiliated with the Weill Institute for Neurosciences." [0] https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/05/417431/pricey-protocol-not-proven-prevent-or-reverse-alzheimers-says-ucsf-neurologist https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/05/417431/pricey-protocol-not...
  - 0xcde4c3db 5y ago
    Also, being affiliated with the Institute for Functional Medicine is kind of a red flag [1]. [1] https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-the-ultimate-misnomer-in-the-world-of-integrative-medicine/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-the-ult...
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by tpush 5y ago

voldacar 5y ago

So as americans have been eating more and more Omega-6 & PUFAs over the last century or so, they've been getting healthier and healthier, right? Maybe you can share some more predictions of your model.

tpush 5y ago
No, that obviously doesn't follow. Current scientific thinking is that ultra-processed, ultra-palatable food high in both sugar and fat is likely responsible for the obesity epidemic. Of course, the fat in those foods is, most of the time, vegetable oils (because they're cheap & most of them are healthier than their animal counterparts). However, it absolutely doesn't follow that vegetable oil in particular is the driver here. If one switched all of the vegetable oil in ultra-processed, ultra-palatable food with animal fats the result will very likely be exactly the same, except for an increase in CVD due to the increased saturated fat content.

colordrops 5y ago

Sounds like you are in one of the camps. If you are going to call out "the science" and speak disparagingly, you'd better provide references. Preferably comprehensive analysis, and not a few cherry picked studies. Otherwise you are just adding to the noise.

tpush 5y ago
You are free to peruse the reports by pretty much every national nutrition & dietetics organization in the world; they already did the hard work of combing through and evaluating all relevant studies in that area. Any individual "assessment" of the scientific literature by someone who doesn't have scientific training in general or in that particular area is much more likely to result misleading or even dangerous conclusions.
- colordrops 5y ago
  Are you saying you have scientific training in the area? Because you made a clear assessment.
  - tpush 5y ago
    No, I repeated the position of organizations like the AHA, not read a couple studies and made up my own mind.
    - colordrops 5y ago
      OK, presumably you'd also need scientific training to discount papers and theories as well. How are you coming to the conclusion about the quackery of other theories?

hollerith 5y ago

You mean quacks and grifters like Dale Bredesen, MD, researcher in Alzheimer's, who recommends everyone omit oils except olive, avocado and coconut oil entirely from their diets because they promote chronic inflammation? (Bredesen probably does not maintain that coconut oil is good for you, just that it doesn't have the problem of contributing to chronic inflammation.)

tpush 5y ago
Yes, exactly like that [0]: "In her editorial in the Lancet Neurology, published in May 2020, Joanna Hellmuth, MD, of the UCSF Memory and Aging Center, said the “Bredesen protocol” – named by neurologist Dale Bredesen, MD – has reeled in patients and their families seeking hope outside of the physician’s office for a disease that is currently incurable. The Bredesen protocol is propounded in his 2017 bestseller and can be accessed for $1,399, which includes protocol assessments, lab tests and contact with practitioners, who provide the regimen for additional fees. Online support and cognitive games are available for an additional monthly charge. A follow-up book will come out in August, aimed at anyone concerned about their memory. The three papers, which were published in 2014, 2016 and 2018, and are cited as evidence that the Bredesen protocol is effective, have major flaws, said Hellmuth, who is also affiliated with the Weill Institute for Neurosciences." [0] https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/05/417431/pricey-protocol-not-proven-prevent-or-reverse-alzheimers-says-ucsf-neurologist https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/05/417431/pricey-protocol-not...
- 0xcde4c3db 5y ago
  Also, being affiliated with the Institute for Functional Medicine is kind of a red flag [1]. [1] https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-the-ultimate-misnomer-in-the-world-of-integrative-medicine/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-the-ult...

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