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This is just false; the only way you could say russia is failing badly to conquer ukraine is if you only read the ukrainian government's PR releases. It's been

This is just false; the only way you could say russia is failing badly to conquer ukraine is if you only read the ukrainian government's PR releases. It's been like a week and a half; even the Americans took a longer time to go through the extremely weakened state of Iraq in 2003. I get supporting ukraine but there's no need to fall for delusional war propaganda, just look at the map and tallies of confirmed casualties (for example we only have proof of 2 actual russian air losses, a far cry from the 35-40 claimed by the ukrainian side). It's totally counterproductive and does not help the ukrainian side to be so wildly optimistic when the situation on the ground isn't.

inglor_cz 5y ago
"for example we only have proof of 2 actual russian air losses, a far cry from the 35-40 claimed by the ukrainian side" We have way more than two Russian air losses proven. This OSINT page maps them fairly well. https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum...
- mardifoufs 5y ago
  Interesting, oryx has usually been very reliable in the past but there are a few glaring discrepancies in his list. I can see at least a few pictures of double counted losses, and there seems to be comments on that in the article too. For example they show the gear of a downed pilot as proof of a shutdown aircraft (which is true!) But also show the wreckage of the plane he ejected from as another air loss... The AN transport plane loss is also contested from what ive seen elsewhere. They also don't seem to be listing most confirmed ukrainian losses but that does not necessarily discredit their russian list But yes it seems my own figure was wrong and outdated by a few days, yet even in the best case scenario we are a very very far cry from the ukrainian figures. It's really not even close, considering they claimed 25 aircraft kills a week ago and most of those pictures are from the past 3 days

inglor_cz 5y ago

"for example we only have proof of 2 actual russian air losses, a far cry from the 35-40 claimed by the ukrainian side" We have way more than two Russian air losses proven. This OSINT page maps them fairly well. https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum...

mardifoufs 5y ago
Interesting, oryx has usually been very reliable in the past but there are a few glaring discrepancies in his list. I can see at least a few pictures of double counted losses, and there seems to be comments on that in the article too. For example they show the gear of a downed pilot as proof of a shutdown aircraft (which is true!) But also show the wreckage of the plane he ejected from as another air loss... The AN transport plane loss is also contested from what ive seen elsewhere. They also don't seem to be listing most confirmed ukrainian losses but that does not necessarily discredit their russian list But yes it seems my own figure was wrong and outdated by a few days, yet even in the best case scenario we are a very very far cry from the ukrainian figures. It's really not even close, considering they claimed 25 aircraft kills a week ago and most of those pictures are from the past 3 days