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Indeed, we're basically watching the real-time implosion of a super-power (if Russia could've been called that), and Chinese institutions will own just about ev
by bryant 5y ago
Indeed, we're basically watching the real-time implosion of a super-power (if Russia could've been called that), and Chinese institutions will own just about every bit of intangible (and soon tangible) infrastructure that matters.
In his drive to reconstruct the USSR, Putin may have just given that mandate for a communist super-power and counterbalance to the United States to the CCP instead.
- tonguez 5y ago>Indeed, we're basically watching the real-time implosion of a super-power Aren't we basically watching Russia conquer Ukraine?
- BobbyJo 5y agoWe are watching them attack Ukraine. Whether or not they'll be able to conquer it is up in the air, and seeing how things are going, I'd bet against it.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y agoWhy would Europe not admit Ukraine's neutrality once Kyiv falls, now that we know neither the EU nor the US wants to intervene? Europe has clearly stated they'll continue to pay for Russia'a natgas even at €120/MWh, which will fund Russia's war for quite some time.
- BobbyJo 5y agoIf winning was simply about money and having someone in a building somewhere claiming to run things, then you might have a point. Also we'd have to make significant revisions to history.
- johannes1234321 5y agoIn a way less successful way than expected and while getting their economy squashed in response.
- Mikeb85 5y agoYou haven't been watching the war, have you? Russia can't even take Kyiv or Kharkiv even though they're pretty close to the Belarus and Russian borders...
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y agoSo far. One can be surprised they haven't taken these cities earlier, but I wouldn't bet Ukraine won't accept Putin's requests at some point in exchange for the end of the war. (commitment not to enter NATO/Europe + demilitarization + recognition of Crimea being part of Russia + independence of Donetsk and Luhansk republics). Neither NATO nor Europe wants to intervene and China will continue to support Russia to compensate for the sanctions.
- sidibe 5y agoThere is no way Ukraine accepts the same demands that Russia had at the start of the war. I think the most they'll give is recognize the territory Russia or separatists had at the start of the war, and that's only if Russia makes serious push on central Kyiv. No way they give up on NATO at this point knowing Russia could just do it again in a few years
- Mikeb85 5y agoI'm optimistic the Ukrainians will hold on longer than oligarch and military support for Putin...
- birdyrooster 5y agoIf NATO wasn't confident that Ukraine would stop Russia, they would have already changed tactics.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoWhy change tactics when things are working out for NATO The longer and more devastating the war, the better. Ukraine doesn't have to win for a NATO victory, russia just has to be damaged militarily and fanatically.
- inglor_cz 5y agoTrying to conquer it, but failing badly. This is a war of attrition where Ukraine gets enormous supplies from rich Western countries for free, but Russia cannot replenish any equipment loss. No one will sell them new Soviet-style helicopters and fighter jets that their pilots are qualified to fly. Every piece of heavy equipment that is destroyed with Javelins, NLAWs and Stingers is an irreplaceable loss for the attacking army. Unlike defense, you cannot sustain your attack if your offensive equipment gets blown into pieces or runs out of fuel. This will end in a collapse of massive proportions.
- fallingknife 5y agoCould be China to the rescue here, and Ukraine turns into the first proxy war between the US and China.
- thehappypm 5y agoIf China aids Russia they may see the same sanctions Russia does, the CCP above all else wants the Chinese GDP to continue to grow. Maybe in 50 years if China becomes a wealthy nation they might start throwing stones but for now, they benefit from playing both sides and letting Russia get weakened and desperate.
- fallingknife 5y agoWe can't sanction China like that. We need too much of what they produce. The only thing that Russia produces that the West needs is oil and gas, which has not been sanctioned.
- kavalg 5y agoAlso wheat, some rare metals and maybe even electricity soon if they are able to retain control over Ukraine NPPs (well only if EU considers them green enough).
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- birdyrooster 5y agoNot yet, as they haven't conquered any part of Ukraine. If they stopped their offensive today, they would be pushed out in days.
- p_j_w 5y ago>super-power (if Russia could've been called that) Russia hasn't been a super power in 30 years IMO.
- antupis 5y agoYeah watch how ex-USSR states at central asia give FU to russia and choose China instead.
- zeruch 5y ago"if Russia could've been called that" Yes, they could have. For a long time, they absolutely were. In the sense that their arsenal is still operational and capable of mass death, it still is. But that is the only way that they remain a super-power.