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What could go wrong with the civilian families of Ukrainian soldiers “choosing” to go to put themselves at the mercy of the enemy attacking Ukrainian soldiers,
by mint2 5y ago
What could go wrong with the civilian families of Ukrainian soldiers “choosing” to go to put themselves at the mercy of the enemy attacking Ukrainian soldiers, an enemy that has been specifically targeting civilians with bombing and death.
Russia: “hey civilians that we keep bombing and killing, we are generously offering you a stay in our re-education camps. Our words and promises are meaningless so we won’t bother saying whether we’ll use you to extort your soldier relatives”
- s1artibartfast 5y agoWhat Is you alternative to stop Ukrainian civilians from fleeing into Russia? I guess NATO could bomb them so Russia doesn't get the leverage, but if we were to bomb the civilians, we might as well be bombing the Russians themselves.
- mint2 5y ago>to stop Ukrainian civilians from “fleeing” into Russia “Fleeing” is a weird term for “join us or we bomb your children” China could step in and actually get Russia to follow through with a cease fire instead of claiming they’d have a cease fire only to shell civilians. If not that, I dunno there’s probably a few more things that could be tried but giving in to the demands of a madman bombing civilians, hospitals, residential areas and schools doesn’t seem ethical or helpful as it will encourage him to bomb more kids.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoCall it what you want, but what can the US/NATO do to stop civilians leaving? Perhaps I misread your posts, but it seemed that you feel something should be done to stop them.
- mint2 5y agoReally? Which part gave you that impression? All I was saying was 0.) this is not a choice where either option is remotely good, both options presented by Russia a terrible and arbitrarily dictated by Russia 1.) to call for what it is, Russia decided their options are to become Russian prisoners, hostages to use against their immediate family, or die by the Russian sieges. 2.) acknowledge that this rewards russias bombing and murdering of civilians, thus encouraging them to continue bombing and murdering civilians. 3.) Russia has repeatedly broken their word, promising to allow evacuations only to continue shelling, so any promises of treatment are worthless. 4.) there are other options some better like China stepping in behind the scenes to demand Putin a cease fire that isn’t violated or much worse options like a no fly zone.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoI think what game me the impression is that you posted in response to "If civilians don’t want to die I think we should let them chose that." This made it seem like you opposed letting them choose. 0.) this is not a choice where either option is remotely good, both options presented by Russia a terrible and arbitrarily dictated by Russia. 1.) to call for what it is, Russia decided their options are to become Russian prisoners, hostages to use against their immediate family, or die by the Russian sieges. I fully agree that Russia is providing limited options, and that they suck. 2.) acknowledge that this rewards Russia bombing and murdering of civilians, thus encouraging them to continue bombing and murdering civilians. What is "this", and who is rewarding Russia here? Again, this makes it seem like someone is complicit and should stop the flow of civilians. Russia is indeed getting an advantage here... but who is letting them get away with it and what you they do instead, if not stop it. 3.) Russia has repeatedly broken their word, promising to allow evacuations only to continue shelling, so any promises of treatment are worthless. I'm not surprised.. 4.) there are other options some better like China stepping in behind the scenes to demand Putin a cease fire that isn’t violated or much worse options like a no fly zone. Im not sure that any of these are realistic or actual options. A better "option" would be for Putin and Zelensky to hug it out, but that isn't going to happen. Same with China stepping in.