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You can't predict the outcome. Good intentions can have bad results. Do you think that most Iraqi people were pro-Saddam or against him?

by krzyk 5y ago

unmole 5y ago
> You can't predict the outcome. Everyone from Henry Kissinger to Joe Biden is on record saying NATO expansion would lead to a confrontation with Russia. As for Iraq, it takes a special kind of wilful ignorance to think that deposing a strongman, leaving a power vaccum and excluding the existing power structure would lead to anything but chaos. > Do you think that most Iraqi people were pro-Saddam or against him? Either the people of Iraq supported Saddam, in which case the justification of liberating Iraq was BS. Or the majority did not support Saddam, in which case there is absolutely no justification for the suffering inflicted on them.
- krzyk 5y ago
  Russia can GTFO from any country foreign policy. If they would control it how would it be different from the old soviet grip on East European countries? Russia has to beat into submission so it is no longer a threat. Just like it was done with Germany in WW2, Stalin did get away from that.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > If they would control it how would it be different from the old soviet grip on East European countries? Being different from that is exactly not the point.
    - krzyk 5y ago
      so if I get the double negation (of sort) you suggest that it hasnto be the same grip on EE to make Russia happy? Well, that ship sailed thankfully and Russia can expect a strong fist from those countries. Hitler and WW2 Germany had smaller negative impact on those countries than Soviet Russia.
- Sporktacular 5y ago
  Putin predicted it too. In fact he acted to ensure his predictions would come true. Don't downplay his agency in this. > Either the people of Iraq supported Saddam, in which case the justification of liberating Iraq was BS. Or the majority did not support Saddam, in which case there is absolutely no justification for the suffering inflicted on them. In fact it's the second one, Shia were a repressed majority. But how would the first justify their suffering? Saddam had nothing to do with 911.
blisterpeanuts 5y ago
The Sunnis (about 24% of the pop.) supported Saddam. The Shi'ites (about 37%) opposed him. The rest (mostly Kurds, about 15%, plus Turkmen, Azadis, etc.) generally opposed him. The Sunnis dominated the country politically and militarily, until the Americans took out their army in 1991 and established autonomy for the Kurds, and finally deposed Saddam in 2003.

You can't predict the outcome. Good intentions can have bad results. Do you think that most Iraqi people were pro-Saddam or against him?

by krzyk 5y ago

You can't predict the outcome. Good intentions can have bad results. Do you think that most Iraqi people were pro-Saddam or against him?

unmole 5y ago

> You can't predict the outcome. Everyone from Henry Kissinger to Joe Biden is on record saying NATO expansion would lead to a confrontation with Russia. As for Iraq, it takes a special kind of wilful ignorance to think that deposing a strongman, leaving a power vaccum and excluding the existing power structure would lead to anything but chaos. > Do you think that most Iraqi people were pro-Saddam or against him? Either the people of Iraq supported Saddam, in which case the justification of liberating Iraq was BS. Or the majority did not support Saddam, in which case there is absolutely no justification for the suffering inflicted on them.

krzyk 5y ago
Russia can GTFO from any country foreign policy. If they would control it how would it be different from the old soviet grip on East European countries? Russia has to beat into submission so it is no longer a threat. Just like it was done with Germany in WW2, Stalin did get away from that.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > If they would control it how would it be different from the old soviet grip on East European countries? Being different from that is exactly not the point.
  - krzyk 5y ago
    so if I get the double negation (of sort) you suggest that it hasnto be the same grip on EE to make Russia happy? Well, that ship sailed thankfully and Russia can expect a strong fist from those countries. Hitler and WW2 Germany had smaller negative impact on those countries than Soviet Russia.
Sporktacular 5y ago
Putin predicted it too. In fact he acted to ensure his predictions would come true. Don't downplay his agency in this. > Either the people of Iraq supported Saddam, in which case the justification of liberating Iraq was BS. Or the majority did not support Saddam, in which case there is absolutely no justification for the suffering inflicted on them. In fact it's the second one, Shia were a repressed majority. But how would the first justify their suffering? Saddam had nothing to do with 911.

blisterpeanuts 5y ago

The Sunnis (about 24% of the pop.) supported Saddam. The Shi'ites (about 37%) opposed him. The rest (mostly Kurds, about 15%, plus Turkmen, Azadis, etc.) generally opposed him. The Sunnis dominated the country politically and militarily, until the Americans took out their army in 1991 and established autonomy for the Kurds, and finally deposed Saddam in 2003.