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This likewise ignores the individual. "Oh you don't like the politics where you live? You want human rights? Leave your family and friends and everything you'v

This likewise ignores the individual. "Oh you don't like the politics where you live? You want human rights? Leave your family and friends and everything you've ever known and move a thousand miles away."

willcipriano 5y ago
The alternative is: "Oh you don't like the politics where you live? You want human rights? 51% of your "peers" decided you don't get that. Here's my boot on your neck, stop resisting!"
- lupire 5y ago
  I dunno, maybe there is another alternative?
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    I've read a lot of history and I haven't seen one. I can go as far back as Aristotle to see my same observation being made: "Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms." The founding fathers designed the US as a republic to avoid the issues we see today. > There is a story, often told, that upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it."[0] [0]https://constitutioncenter.org/learn/educational-resources/historical-documents/perspectives-on-the-constitution-a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it https://constitutioncenter.org/learn/educational-resources/h...
  - MarkPNeyer 5y ago
    Faster transportation technology can lower the cost of moving. If you can travel 600mph reliably and cheaply, you can move 200 miles from your job and still enjoy a 20 minute commute. Families could relocate to a shared community without people changing jobs.
    - liminvorous 5y ago
      I suspect you might be aware of this, but Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota serries takes this idea as a very significant part of its world building, and I highly recommend it if you're willing to sit though 4 doorstops of books for things to pay off. Reading just the first book for the worldbuilding is probably worthwhile on its own even if you're not going to commit to the serries.
    - fho 5y ago
      Yep ... especially fast, cheap public transport ... I had the "pleasure" to commute about 86 km for five years. In Germany that took me about 1,5 hours with most of the way a regional train that took about 40 minutes between two cities. I would not do that again, but it was feasible.

willcipriano 5y ago

The alternative is: "Oh you don't like the politics where you live? You want human rights? 51% of your "peers" decided you don't get that. Here's my boot on your neck, stop resisting!"

lupire 5y ago
I dunno, maybe there is another alternative?
- willcipriano 5y ago
  I've read a lot of history and I haven't seen one. I can go as far back as Aristotle to see my same observation being made: "Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms." The founding fathers designed the US as a republic to avoid the issues we see today. > There is a story, often told, that upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it."[0] [0]https://constitutioncenter.org/learn/educational-resources/historical-documents/perspectives-on-the-constitution-a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it https://constitutioncenter.org/learn/educational-resources/h...
- MarkPNeyer 5y ago
  Faster transportation technology can lower the cost of moving. If you can travel 600mph reliably and cheaply, you can move 200 miles from your job and still enjoy a 20 minute commute. Families could relocate to a shared community without people changing jobs.
  - liminvorous 5y ago
    I suspect you might be aware of this, but Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota serries takes this idea as a very significant part of its world building, and I highly recommend it if you're willing to sit though 4 doorstops of books for things to pay off. Reading just the first book for the worldbuilding is probably worthwhile on its own even if you're not going to commit to the serries.
  - fho 5y ago
    Yep ... especially fast, cheap public transport ... I had the "pleasure" to commute about 86 km for five years. In Germany that took me about 1,5 hours with most of the way a regional train that took about 40 minutes between two cities. I would not do that again, but it was feasible.