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I'm only going by the Content section of the Wikipedia article you reference (which may be wrong), but to me it doesn't say that the UK "assures the integrity o

I'm only going by the Content section of the Wikipedia article you reference (which may be wrong), but to me it doesn't say that the UK "assures the integrity of Ukraine's border", just that UK respects its independence and sovereignty (which it seems it does) and that it will consult with other parties if questions arise (which it seems to be doing). It doesn't sound as though the UK has broken its commitments there - can you point out what I've missed? That's not to say it shouldn't take in refugees...

fractallyte 5y ago
From Wikipedia: In exchange for giving up their nuclear arms, "the memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan."
- maffydub 5y ago
  I think the question is what does "security assurances" mean. The term doesn't appear in the actual text of the memorandum (https://web.archive.org/web/20170312052208/http://www.cfr.org/nonproliferation-arms-control-and-disarmament/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484 https://web.archive.org/web/20170312052208/http://www.cfr.or...) and so has been introduced by the Wikipedia author as a way of summarizing it. The "Content" section of the Wikipedia article (which I referred to in my post) actually matches the memorandum pretty closely and, as I said before, it seems that the UK is complying. Can you point out which part of the memorandum the UK is not complying with?
- pdabbadabba 5y ago
  Unfortunately, Wikipedia has a vague and misleading summary of the actual agreement. The signatories agreed not to use force against Ukraine themselves, but did not agree to defend it against aggression.
- dustypotato 5y ago
  > The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used; This is from the actual text
  - pdabbadabba 5y ago
    Yes. This provision was not very clearly written (at least not in the English language version) so its not obvious whether this provision applies to non-nuclear aggression against Ukraine. The scope of the qualifier "in which nuclear weapons are used" is ambiguous. But in any case, the only required response is "to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine," which certainly has happened.

fractallyte 5y ago

From Wikipedia: In exchange for giving up their nuclear arms, "the memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan."

maffydub 5y ago
I think the question is what does "security assurances" mean. The term doesn't appear in the actual text of the memorandum (https://web.archive.org/web/20170312052208/http://www.cfr.org/nonproliferation-arms-control-and-disarmament/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484 https://web.archive.org/web/20170312052208/http://www.cfr.or...) and so has been introduced by the Wikipedia author as a way of summarizing it. The "Content" section of the Wikipedia article (which I referred to in my post) actually matches the memorandum pretty closely and, as I said before, it seems that the UK is complying. Can you point out which part of the memorandum the UK is not complying with?
pdabbadabba 5y ago
Unfortunately, Wikipedia has a vague and misleading summary of the actual agreement. The signatories agreed not to use force against Ukraine themselves, but did not agree to defend it against aggression.
dustypotato 5y ago
> The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used; This is from the actual text
- pdabbadabba 5y ago
  Yes. This provision was not very clearly written (at least not in the English language version) so its not obvious whether this provision applies to non-nuclear aggression against Ukraine. The scope of the qualifier "in which nuclear weapons are used" is ambiguous. But in any case, the only required response is "to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine," which certainly has happened.