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I am disgusted at all 3 political sides involved. Most disgusted with EU/US, followed by Ukrainian government and finally by the Russian Government. A war doe
by throwaway_9357 5y ago
I am disgusted at all 3 political sides involved.
Most disgusted with EU/US, followed by Ukrainian government and finally by the Russian Government.
A war does not happen for no reason. Putin is a known to be a rational actor. Obviously ordinary people do not want war.
So you have to ask yourself, what events led to the war? What was done to prevent it?
What is done to stop it now?
Why am I disgusted with US/EU?
Firstly the double standards make me sick. I am not going to go further into this to avoid buTwHatAbout. The cancellation of everything Russian, the message that every Russian is responsible and statements that they want to choke the Russian economy makes me and my people feel hated. This is accepted xenophobia.
Secondly Russia has been clear since 2008 that it would rather go to war than let Ukraine join NATO. They absolutely should not have sponsored Ukrainian nationalist parties or ever had their troops or weapons set foot there. They have been (relatively) silent about what was going on in Donbass and Lugansk. I hosted two refugees from there. Truly horrific stories coming from there for 8 years, and the West just downplays it. It is very clear to me that the current UA government is a puppet of the West that takes advantage of support from western Ukrainians who are quite different from central and eastern Ukrainians.
Thirdly they are now actively encouraging war by sending weapons, by pre training the troops there. My uncle was in Ukrainian Armed Forces, he quit and left back to our family in Russia because they were constantly brainwashed to hate Russia and everything Russian.
Now Ukraine, their leader is either a puppet or incredibly stupid. If he was warned for months that Russia is going to invade and has 190,000 troops at his borders while warning against NATO relationships. He comes out and says Ukraine will work to join NATO and will also develop its own nuclear weapons?? His recent actions feel like they intentionally are chosen to make it as difficult as possible for the next regime that will be installed rather than what would be best for the Ukrainian people. Like it or not he should understand that if the worlds largest nuclear power wants its neighbor disarmed from enemy weapons, it will be.
Finally the Russian government. I really wish they went with another approach. But I don't know what to suggest, don't do anything and let the West have its way? Continue talks that have been going on in circles for 8 years? Bomb the military infrastructure and leave it at that? I would have probably went with this but who knows what the consequences would be compared to now.
I can see where they are coming from. The last time we had to defend the narrow UA/Belarus - West border we lost almost 30mil lives. Now if that border becomes much longer and a NATO - Russia border, flat and so close to all key cities - that is an existential threat. And the fact that the West doesn't seem to respect that and can't even give a NATO moratorium on Ukraine to avoid war makes me feel really uneasy.
- Wiseacre 5y agoCan you explain this cancellation of everything Russian? The Russian restaurant near me is being embraced by the local community. Most people here feel bad for the Ukrainian and Russian people and only have hatred for Putin. Was a throwaway necessary for this comment?
- throwaway_9357 5y agoI spent a lot of time in an EU country and still have a lot of people I met on Instagram. These are normal people and a lot of them non stop post Russian hate now. Some Russian culture events got cancelled by the venue. I realize I may be exaggerating but it has just gotten to me
- moistly 5y agoI think you mistake hatred of a cruel mafioso government and the dysfunctional structures that enable it to continue unimpeded, with the Russian people. Putin, the oligarchs, and the sociopathic bullies that enforce the regime are rightfully hated by all moral people. The generationally abused citizenry that have suffered so much for so long are not hated: the world wishes better for them.
- throwaway_9357 5y agoThrowaway was necessary because a close friend of mine reads this forum daily and knows my username. We are avoiding this topic at all cost
- m_ke 5y agoMaybe ask yourself why all of your closest neighbors are/were begging to join NATO.
- MattGaiser 5y ago> Thirdly they are now actively encouraging war by sending weapons The alternative to sending weapons being Ukraine being brutally beaten rather than given a chance to defend itself. There is a reason that nearly every former Soviet occupied country fled to NATO.