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Unlike a sports game with voluntary competitors, you should judge a military operation early, preferably even before the aggressor plans it. Sounds like Art of

Unlike a sports game with voluntary competitors, you should judge a military operation early, preferably even before the aggressor plans it. Sounds like Art of War 101.

paganel 5y ago
For what it's worth Russia's start of WW2 was a disaster, they only started to recover about one year into it.
- noir_lord 5y ago
  > they only started to recover about one year into it. With massive aid from...the United States. Somehow I don't see the US running arctic convoys round the clock to re-supply the Russians this time.
  - blisterpeanuts 5y ago
    China is providing some kinds of assistance, for example they are substituting their own (and India's) banking system for the SWIFT cut-off. So far, no military assistance, but that is not really needed; the RF has a huge military of which only a tiny fraction has been committed to the Ukraine action.
- rasz 5y ago
  Russia's start of WW2 was on September 17 of 1939 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland and they did pretty great taking half of Poland, as agreed in Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, in less than a month. They cemented this victory and cooperation with Hitler in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Frontier_Treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Frontier.... They had full two years of successes until June 1941 Barbarossa. Did you perhaps grew up under Russian occupation, like I did, and not learn in school about Molotov–Ribbentrop Pacts? We were only taught the part after 1941 where Russia gloriously liberates Europe.
  - paganel 5y ago
    Yeah, I did, I grew up in Romania, which was also heavily and negatively affected by the the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact (we lost everything East of the river Prut, Northern Bukovina and the county of Herța in June 1940, as a result of a Soviet ultimatum). Nevertheless, we did learn that USSR got into the war in 1941, i.e. when the Germans together with some of their allies (including us, Romanians) attacked them. I did personally know a person that was close to me (he passed away about a decade ago) who had been a soldier on that front, he was in Odessa, in Crimea and all the way East to the Don river. He considered that the war started when his commander in chief at the time, marshal Antonescu, had ordered him and his fellow Romanian soldiers to pass the Prut and attack the Soviets, in June 1941. As it happens marshal Antonescu is considered a war criminal, and he was indeed a war criminal if you look at what he did to the Jewish population from Romania. That didn't count for people like that close person of mine I had told you about, who regarded him as a hero because marshal Antonescu was one of the the only persons who really wanted "to defeat the Bolsheviks" (I'm quoting my close acquaintance on this). That's why history around these parts of the world is really, really complicated, is not black and white all the time. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Antonescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Antonescu
ekianjo 5y ago
> you should judge a military operation early what matters is how you adjust vs your mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes, even during military operations, because nothing is known in advance.

Unlike a sports game with voluntary competitors, you should judge a military operation early, preferably even before the aggressor plans it. Sounds like Art of War 101.

paganel 5y ago

For what it's worth Russia's start of WW2 was a disaster, they only started to recover about one year into it.

noir_lord 5y ago
> they only started to recover about one year into it. With massive aid from...the United States. Somehow I don't see the US running arctic convoys round the clock to re-supply the Russians this time.
- blisterpeanuts 5y ago
  China is providing some kinds of assistance, for example they are substituting their own (and India's) banking system for the SWIFT cut-off. So far, no military assistance, but that is not really needed; the RF has a huge military of which only a tiny fraction has been committed to the Ukraine action.
rasz 5y ago
Russia's start of WW2 was on September 17 of 1939 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland and they did pretty great taking half of Poland, as agreed in Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, in less than a month. They cemented this victory and cooperation with Hitler in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Frontier_Treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Frontier.... They had full two years of successes until June 1941 Barbarossa. Did you perhaps grew up under Russian occupation, like I did, and not learn in school about Molotov–Ribbentrop Pacts? We were only taught the part after 1941 where Russia gloriously liberates Europe.
- paganel 5y ago
  Yeah, I did, I grew up in Romania, which was also heavily and negatively affected by the the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact (we lost everything East of the river Prut, Northern Bukovina and the county of Herța in June 1940, as a result of a Soviet ultimatum). Nevertheless, we did learn that USSR got into the war in 1941, i.e. when the Germans together with some of their allies (including us, Romanians) attacked them. I did personally know a person that was close to me (he passed away about a decade ago) who had been a soldier on that front, he was in Odessa, in Crimea and all the way East to the Don river. He considered that the war started when his commander in chief at the time, marshal Antonescu, had ordered him and his fellow Romanian soldiers to pass the Prut and attack the Soviets, in June 1941. As it happens marshal Antonescu is considered a war criminal, and he was indeed a war criminal if you look at what he did to the Jewish population from Romania. That didn't count for people like that close person of mine I had told you about, who regarded him as a hero because marshal Antonescu was one of the the only persons who really wanted "to defeat the Bolsheviks" (I'm quoting my close acquaintance on this). That's why history around these parts of the world is really, really complicated, is not black and white all the time. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Antonescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Antonescu

ekianjo 5y ago

> you should judge a military operation early what matters is how you adjust vs your mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes, even during military operations, because nothing is known in advance.