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I mean, according to international laws, only adjacent countries really need to accept Ukrainians as refugees. And they all are. At that point they've reached

I mean, according to international laws, only adjacent countries really need to accept Ukrainians as refugees. And they all are. At that point they've reached a "safe" country. And all the Slavic EU countries are going above and beyond to help anyway. People really need to understand what a refugee actually IS, according to law. Also, non-Ukrainians in Ukraine (foreign students for example) aren't refugees. They have a safe country to go back to. Anyhow, the UK can choose whether or not it wants to accept displaced people but it's not under some sort of obligation to, under all the treaties I know of relating to refugee status.

KaiserPro 5y ago
> And all the Slavic EU countries are going above and beyond to help anyway. frankly that's not the point. Absorbing that number of people is destabilising, and we really don't want to add more obstacles to cohesion when we are about to bump into a economic oopsey. The british government are outdooing themselves to appear tough on vulnerable people. having cut off (or tried to) all legal means of claiming asylum, we are now looking at the results: horrific risks by people traffickers, slavery to pay off debts and drownings in the sea.
samwillis 5y ago
> according to international laws, only adjacent countries really need to accept Ukrainians as refugees. And they all are. At that point they've reached a "safe" country. This is incorrect, see: https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/ https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country... > not under some sort of obligation to There is a massive difference between legal and moral obligation.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Agreements like the Dublin agreement or the agreement on third party safety between Canada-US would suggest otherwise. And moral obligations don't exist in the real world... See no one actually defending Ukraine...
visarga 5y ago
"According to international laws" what can Poland do when 5 million people show up at the border? They can't handle so many.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Ask Poland? So far they've very enthusiastically accepted and helped Ukrainian refugees. As have other Slavic EU countries. Not saying the UK shouldn't accept them, only saying that the viewpoint that they're not required to is probably correct, legally.
  - visarga 5y ago
    I sure hope you never need to be a refugee and meet someone like you on the other side.
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      What do you mean like me? I live in the country with probably the highest immigration rate in the world... We've taken refugees from every conflict I can remember. I have friends from Kosovo, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Russia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Serbia, Croatia, etc... Just discussing legality, not my opinions. My opinion, as someone who's half Ukrainian living in Canada, is that they should come here (we have a historic Ukrainian community here in Alberta for example) or another country they're truly welcome. I know for a fact there's also large, established Ukrainian communities in the Czech Republic and Poland as well. They integrate easily there. The UK has already suggested they don't want East European migrants (part of the impetus for Brexit) so why force em?

KaiserPro 5y ago

> And all the Slavic EU countries are going above and beyond to help anyway. frankly that's not the point. Absorbing that number of people is destabilising, and we really don't want to add more obstacles to cohesion when we are about to bump into a economic oopsey. The british government are outdooing themselves to appear tough on vulnerable people. having cut off (or tried to) all legal means of claiming asylum, we are now looking at the results: horrific risks by people traffickers, slavery to pay off debts and drownings in the sea.

samwillis 5y ago

> according to international laws, only adjacent countries really need to accept Ukrainians as refugees. And they all are. At that point they've reached a "safe" country. This is incorrect, see: https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/ https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country... > not under some sort of obligation to There is a massive difference between legal and moral obligation.

Mikeb85 5y ago
Agreements like the Dublin agreement or the agreement on third party safety between Canada-US would suggest otherwise. And moral obligations don't exist in the real world... See no one actually defending Ukraine...

visarga 5y ago

"According to international laws" what can Poland do when 5 million people show up at the border? They can't handle so many.

Mikeb85 5y ago
Ask Poland? So far they've very enthusiastically accepted and helped Ukrainian refugees. As have other Slavic EU countries. Not saying the UK shouldn't accept them, only saying that the viewpoint that they're not required to is probably correct, legally.
- visarga 5y ago
  I sure hope you never need to be a refugee and meet someone like you on the other side.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    What do you mean like me? I live in the country with probably the highest immigration rate in the world... We've taken refugees from every conflict I can remember. I have friends from Kosovo, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Russia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Serbia, Croatia, etc... Just discussing legality, not my opinions. My opinion, as someone who's half Ukrainian living in Canada, is that they should come here (we have a historic Ukrainian community here in Alberta for example) or another country they're truly welcome. I know for a fact there's also large, established Ukrainian communities in the Czech Republic and Poland as well. They integrate easily there. The UK has already suggested they don't want East European migrants (part of the impetus for Brexit) so why force em?