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> Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Zelensky lied about a Russian shell hitting a nuclear plant and called for retaliation, whi

> Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Zelensky lied about a Russian shell hitting a nuclear plant and called for retaliation, which is exactly inciting violence. There's a lot of misinformation spread by both sides (Russia and the West) but silencing any of them would be stupid and unfair.

throw_m239339 5y ago
> but silencing any of them would be stupid and unfair. unfair to whom exactly? Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the massacre of its citizen is certainly a bigger injustice.
- shabier 5y ago
keymone 5y ago
Zelensky was talking about an attack that happened within hours of his message, can't blame him for fog of war. And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community, which frankly he has every right to do when fascist invaders are taking over major nuclear power plants in your country, don't you think? You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponising a completely fabricated story about crucified boy, with intention of evoking deep emotional response and getting separatists to start fighting?
- shabier 5y ago
  > can't blame him for fog of war That's exactly what you should, though. Especially if you're in his position, where the smallest wimp is taken as fact. > And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community What exactly would you think the "response" would be if the nuclear plant was actually bombed? You don't have to be a geopolitical expert to know it is violence. > You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponising a completely fabricated story about crucified boy, with intention of evoking deep emotional response Have you been following the news? Western media is doing exactly that with recent events like the snake island "heroes"?
  - keymone 5y ago
    - shabier 5y ago
      > And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community > I would very much like international community to get involved and vaporize putin and entire russian army with entire government and elites. You're a living contradiction, man.
      - keymone 5y ago
        shabier 5y ago
- caeril 5y ago
  > fascist invaders Given Putin's ties with Israel and the enormous Nazi problem in Ukraine, it seems that describing the invasion as "fascist" is really skirting the line of absurdity.
  - keymone 5y ago
    there is no "enormous nazi problem in ukraine", that is literally russian propaganda. there is much larger nazi problem in russia in fact, from existence of radical far-right groups all the way up to concentration camps for gays in Chechnya. i suggest you re-evaluate your sources. russian invasion can't be called anything other than fascist - military glorious leader annexing a chunk of neighbour's territory under justification that people there are compatriots that need saving. you can't make that shit up.

throw_m239339 5y ago

> but silencing any of them would be stupid and unfair. unfair to whom exactly? Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the massacre of its citizen is certainly a bigger injustice.

shabier 5y ago

keymone 5y ago

Zelensky was talking about an attack that happened within hours of his message, can't blame him for fog of war. And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community, which frankly he has every right to do when fascist invaders are taking over major nuclear power plants in your country, don't you think? You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponising a completely fabricated story about crucified boy, with intention of evoking deep emotional response and getting separatists to start fighting?

shabier 5y ago
> can't blame him for fog of war That's exactly what you should, though. Especially if you're in his position, where the smallest wimp is taken as fact. > And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community What exactly would you think the "response" would be if the nuclear plant was actually bombed? You don't have to be a geopolitical expert to know it is violence. > You seriously bringing up that example in contrast to russian propaganda machine weaponising a completely fabricated story about crucified boy, with intention of evoking deep emotional response Have you been following the news? Western media is doing exactly that with recent events like the snake island "heroes"?
- keymone 5y ago
  - shabier 5y ago
    > And he didn't call for violence but for response from international community > I would very much like international community to get involved and vaporize putin and entire russian army with entire government and elites. You're a living contradiction, man.
    - keymone 5y ago
      - shabier 5y ago
caeril 5y ago
> fascist invaders Given Putin's ties with Israel and the enormous Nazi problem in Ukraine, it seems that describing the invasion as "fascist" is really skirting the line of absurdity.
- keymone 5y ago
  there is no "enormous nazi problem in ukraine", that is literally russian propaganda. there is much larger nazi problem in russia in fact, from existence of radical far-right groups all the way up to concentration camps for gays in Chechnya. i suggest you re-evaluate your sources. russian invasion can't be called anything other than fascist - military glorious leader annexing a chunk of neighbour's territory under justification that people there are compatriots that need saving. you can't make that shit up.