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Democratically elected and populous forceful overthrow are the same thing. I think Russia has a point to be worried and concerned about a Ukraine in NATO or th

Democratically elected and populous forceful overthrow are the same thing. I think Russia has a point to be worried and concerned about a Ukraine in NATO or the EU, however they went about it in a terrible fashion. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Not to mention, they moved to annex Crimea and supported civil war in other parts of the country. What did Russia expect?

logifail 5y ago
> Democratically elected and populous forceful overthrow are the same thing Does that also apply if the "populous forceful overthrow" is being directed by foreign powers?[0][1][2] [0] It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-director-brennan-visited-kiev-in-ukraine-the-covert-war-has-begun/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-... [2] How William Hague Deceived the House of Commons on Ukraine https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/david-morrison/ukraine-willliam-hague_b_4933177.html https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/david-morrison/ukraine-will...
- myko 5y ago
  > Does that also apply if the "populous forceful overthrow" is being directed by foreign powers? I pointed out that this was false / not as your comment implies a few hours ago when you posted something similarly incorrect: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30588114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30588114 tl;dr: Putin (with the help of Paul Manafort) got a Russian puppet elected in Ukraine, once he did a 180 on campaign promises and the populous recognized him from the puppet he was he was deposed and fled to Russia.
CryptoPunk 5y ago
A populous overthrow is not a democratic election.. the group capable of organizing the largest protests and riots is not necessarily the group with the most popular support. It could be a minority faction, but just the best organized, trained and funded one. We hold elections to put every one on an equal playing field, where each person has the same amount of say.
- pintxo 5y ago
  > where each person has the same amount of say. Theoretically

logifail 5y ago

> Democratically elected and populous forceful overthrow are the same thing Does that also apply if the "populous forceful overthrow" is being directed by foreign powers?[0][1][2] [0] It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-director-brennan-visited-kiev-in-ukraine-the-covert-war-has-begun/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2014/04/16/why-cia-... [2] How William Hague Deceived the House of Commons on Ukraine https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/david-morrison/ukraine-willliam-hague_b_4933177.html https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/david-morrison/ukraine-will...

myko 5y ago
> Does that also apply if the "populous forceful overthrow" is being directed by foreign powers? I pointed out that this was false / not as your comment implies a few hours ago when you posted something similarly incorrect: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30588114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30588114 tl;dr: Putin (with the help of Paul Manafort) got a Russian puppet elected in Ukraine, once he did a 180 on campaign promises and the populous recognized him from the puppet he was he was deposed and fled to Russia.

CryptoPunk 5y ago

A populous overthrow is not a democratic election.. the group capable of organizing the largest protests and riots is not necessarily the group with the most popular support. It could be a minority faction, but just the best organized, trained and funded one. We hold elections to put every one on an equal playing field, where each person has the same amount of say.

pintxo 5y ago
> where each person has the same amount of say. Theoretically