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Russian Empire is known as «Prison of peoples» [0]. It's time to free peoples from the jail. RF is too big to form a proper liberal democracy. It's better to al

by drran 5y ago

Russian Empire is known as «Prison of peoples» [0]. It's time to free peoples from the jail. RF is too big to form a proper liberal democracy. It's better to allow every nation inside RF to establish their own democracy instead, and join a union after that, when they will be ready. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_of_the_peoples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_of_the_peoples

sorokod 5y ago
A small correction, was known. The quote is from an essay [1] by the future leader of Communist Russia - Lenin, describing the Czarist Russian empire on April, 1914. [1] Original in Russian: http://libelli.ru/works/25-5.htm http://libelli.ru/works/25-5.htm [2] Google translated: https://libelli-ru.translate.goog/works/25-5.htm?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://libelli-ru.translate.goog/works/25-5.htm?_x_tr_sch=h...
- drran 5y ago
  Russian Federation is not created on free will, but on force. Nobody asked peoples is they want to become members of RF. IMHO, if an exit referendum will be allowed in RF (they are forbidden), then most nations will take opportunity and escape. Currently, escape is not possible. For example, Chechnya tried to escape the prison, so Russian used thousands of tons of explosives, FAE's (which is comparable to low yield nuclear weapons) to destroy independent Chechnya state, which was able to escape after first war. Russian FSB bombed their own citizens to provoke war with Chechnya.
  - sorokod 5y ago
    Chechen wars (both of them), deserve to be known more widely in the west. My comment was specific to your quote.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  I think it's worth noting that the USSR (intentionally) did a heck of a lot to negate that and build a (more or less Russian less christian influence) national identity by re-settling minority groups that didn't like them. This kind of worked, somewhat, and not for reasons they were anticipating. Turns out that forcibly resettling people doesn't make them like you but it does make them tolerate each other a little bit better because they all now have one thing in common: shared adversity under the USSR. However, in the places where it didn't work it created bigger problems. Places (Chechnya) that could have been clean breakaway republics didn't do so because they had a ethnic Russian minority holding them in and in cases where those nations did break you have the Russian group trying to lean politically into Russia and the non-Russian group leaning away and that causes its own problems (Georgia, Ukrainian breakaway provinces, etc) Russia is far more unified across ethnic lines than people give it credit for. It's not going to pull a Yugoslavia and erupt into genocide as soon as Putin croaks. That said, it's nowhere near as unified as the US (where you can basically count on any immigrant group becoming functionally "American" in 2 generations).

by drran 5y ago

sorokod 5y ago

A small correction, was known. The quote is from an essay [1] by the future leader of Communist Russia - Lenin, describing the Czarist Russian empire on April, 1914. [1] Original in Russian: http://libelli.ru/works/25-5.htm http://libelli.ru/works/25-5.htm [2] Google translated: https://libelli-ru.translate.goog/works/25-5.htm?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://libelli-ru.translate.goog/works/25-5.htm?_x_tr_sch=h...

drran 5y ago
Russian Federation is not created on free will, but on force. Nobody asked peoples is they want to become members of RF. IMHO, if an exit referendum will be allowed in RF (they are forbidden), then most nations will take opportunity and escape. Currently, escape is not possible. For example, Chechnya tried to escape the prison, so Russian used thousands of tons of explosives, FAE's (which is comparable to low yield nuclear weapons) to destroy independent Chechnya state, which was able to escape after first war. Russian FSB bombed their own citizens to provoke war with Chechnya.
- sorokod 5y ago
  Chechen wars (both of them), deserve to be known more widely in the west. My comment was specific to your quote.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
I think it's worth noting that the USSR (intentionally) did a heck of a lot to negate that and build a (more or less Russian less christian influence) national identity by re-settling minority groups that didn't like them. This kind of worked, somewhat, and not for reasons they were anticipating. Turns out that forcibly resettling people doesn't make them like you but it does make them tolerate each other a little bit better because they all now have one thing in common: shared adversity under the USSR. However, in the places where it didn't work it created bigger problems. Places (Chechnya) that could have been clean breakaway republics didn't do so because they had a ethnic Russian minority holding them in and in cases where those nations did break you have the Russian group trying to lean politically into Russia and the non-Russian group leaning away and that causes its own problems (Georgia, Ukrainian breakaway provinces, etc) Russia is far more unified across ethnic lines than people give it credit for. It's not going to pull a Yugoslavia and erupt into genocide as soon as Putin croaks. That said, it's nowhere near as unified as the US (where you can basically count on any immigrant group becoming functionally "American" in 2 generations).