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In theory I agree with you, but it's not like silencing 'ideas and argument you disagree with' Look at this: https://www.rt.com/russia/551384-russia-ukraine-nu

In theory I agree with you, but it's not like silencing 'ideas and argument you disagree with' Look at this: https://www.rt.com/russia/551384-russia-ukraine-nuclear-false-flag/ https://www.rt.com/russia/551384-russia-ukraine-nuclear-fals... >“The SBU and the militants of the Azov Battalion are planning to blow up the reactor and accuse the Russian Armed Forces of allegedly launching a missile attack on the experimental nuclear facility,” This isn't a discussion in which people are arguing different opinions in good faith, it's straight up manipulation to excuse killing more people.

jafoi 5y ago
It's a quoted statement...
logicchains 5y ago
Given that some of the Azov are literally Nazis (https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-shows-nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-s...), that's hardly completely beyond the realms of possibility. Or we're supposed to start giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt now just because Russia started it?
- fer 5y ago
  Given that Russia deployed Wagner Group in Ukraine, whose founder has SS tattoos on his neck, why unsubstantiated statements from Russia are to be believed?
- friedturkey 5y ago
  Russia is also a known hotbed for neonazis. So is Alabama. Just because a region has small factions of race extremists it doesn’t mean they’re blowing up nuclear reactors. But Russia’s history of false flag operations and whataboutism are so well-documented that it’s literally a textbook example. They’ve invaded Georgia and Ukraine before using the same exact lies. Putin’s history in Chechnya is also horrific. So you should trust Russia saying they’re coming to liberate someone as much as you should trust a certain other country coming to liberate someone: you shouldn’t.
  - foverzar 5y ago
    > Russia is also a known hotbed for neonazis Any source to it that doesn't try to stretch the meaning of pseudo-term "right-wing" to mean "neonazis"? Are there knows instances of Russia openly incorporating entities publicly identifying with neonazi rhetorics and symbolics into their government structures? > But Russia’s history of false flag operations and whataboutism are so well-documented that it’s literally a textbook example. Could you refer us to this documentation? Should be an interesting read. > They’ve invaded Georgia before using the same exact lies Are you denying the fact that Saakashvili had invaded Tskhinvali, the capital of South Osetia, trying to solve a century old ethnic conflict[1] by force, which was last time put on cold under Russia's military guarantees[2]? What lies are you referring to exactly? 1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian–Ossetian_conflict https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian–Ossetian_conflict 2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi_agreement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi_agreement
    - friedturkey 5y ago
      I mean there’s the Wagner Group very conspicuously using a German name despite being Russian and familiar skull design acting as a paramilitary organization in Russia’s “liberation” activities. [1] There’s the fact 90% of Ukraine was completely peaceful just a month ago other than Russian funded “separatists” in the east constantly stirring things up. [2] Russia claimed the whole Crimea operation was soldiers on vacation until they started blowing the place up and seized it. [3] And Russia’s detraction from its own issues is so well known it has a wiki article. [4] You’re more transparent than you think you are. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/28/russians-troops-fighting-in-ukraine-naw-just-on-vacation/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/2... [4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
- coffeeblack 5y ago
  Too many years of everybody and their grandma being called “literally Nazi”.

jafoi 5y ago

It's a quoted statement...

logicchains 5y ago

Given that some of the Azov are literally Nazis (https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-shows-nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-s...), that's hardly completely beyond the realms of possibility. Or we're supposed to start giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt now just because Russia started it?

fer 5y ago
Given that Russia deployed Wagner Group in Ukraine, whose founder has SS tattoos on his neck, why unsubstantiated statements from Russia are to be believed?
friedturkey 5y ago
Russia is also a known hotbed for neonazis. So is Alabama. Just because a region has small factions of race extremists it doesn’t mean they’re blowing up nuclear reactors. But Russia’s history of false flag operations and whataboutism are so well-documented that it’s literally a textbook example. They’ve invaded Georgia and Ukraine before using the same exact lies. Putin’s history in Chechnya is also horrific. So you should trust Russia saying they’re coming to liberate someone as much as you should trust a certain other country coming to liberate someone: you shouldn’t.
- foverzar 5y ago
  > Russia is also a known hotbed for neonazis Any source to it that doesn't try to stretch the meaning of pseudo-term "right-wing" to mean "neonazis"? Are there knows instances of Russia openly incorporating entities publicly identifying with neonazi rhetorics and symbolics into their government structures? > But Russia’s history of false flag operations and whataboutism are so well-documented that it’s literally a textbook example. Could you refer us to this documentation? Should be an interesting read. > They’ve invaded Georgia before using the same exact lies Are you denying the fact that Saakashvili had invaded Tskhinvali, the capital of South Osetia, trying to solve a century old ethnic conflict[1] by force, which was last time put on cold under Russia's military guarantees[2]? What lies are you referring to exactly? 1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian–Ossetian_conflict https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian–Ossetian_conflict 2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi_agreement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi_agreement
  - friedturkey 5y ago
    I mean there’s the Wagner Group very conspicuously using a German name despite being Russian and familiar skull design acting as a paramilitary organization in Russia’s “liberation” activities. [1] There’s the fact 90% of Ukraine was completely peaceful just a month ago other than Russian funded “separatists” in the east constantly stirring things up. [2] Russia claimed the whole Crimea operation was soldiers on vacation until they started blowing the place up and seized it. [3] And Russia’s detraction from its own issues is so well known it has a wiki article. [4] You’re more transparent than you think you are. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/28/russians-troops-fighting-in-ukraine-naw-just-on-vacation/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/2... [4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
coffeeblack 5y ago
Too many years of everybody and their grandma being called “literally Nazi”.