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Right now it is worthless, anything on RT about the "special military operation" is 100% propaganda. It's just fun watching their presenters try to act normal.

newsclues 5y ago
It’s not worthless if you contrast it to the propaganda from CNN.
- fer 5y ago
  It's worthless since everything on RT is "Russia is always right, the rest are always wrong, and also they're Nazis/fascists/imperialists, and America/NATO did it too btw".
  - shabier 5y ago
    So it is western media but from a Russian POV
    - pydry 5y ago
      Theyve clearly picked up a few tricks. Yesterday they published a story on chemical weapons WMD laboratories they supposedly found. Western media has ignored the story so far. It's almost as if it's designed specifically to be awkward to denounce.
    - fer 5y ago
      You have people defending Putin and his war on western media. You can find them without trouble. On the other hand, I dare you to find an RT story critical of Putin, without any sugarcoating. Beyond the war, on literally any topic. So no, it's not western media from a Russian POV.
      - shabier 5y ago
        You cannot simply give me one criterion, one that's conveniently specific to RT, to validate the statement in parent. Both sides are, generally speaking, enforcing a narrative and rejecting objectivity in favor of the narrative ergo it's propaganda
        fer 5y ago
        It's the only criterion that matters when that country started a war. It's not specific to RT, it's specific to all media still able to publish and air in Russia. Freedom of press for me but not for thee. Any war the US started had significant opposition in local media. Saying that it's the same is disingenuous at best, Russian propaganda at worst.
herdcall 5y ago
Yes, but I'm not sure we can trust what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either, like 10K Russians killed, victory is imminent, etc. This way at least we may get tidbits from the other side, including arguments/thoughts from Russia side. E.g., I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugees (https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-people-being-prevented-from-leaving-ukraine-26f42f1783f1 https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-pe...). If you're only listening to the Ukraine friendly media, you'll miss that (IMO important fact).
- emteycz 5y ago
  There are individual excesses, but definitely no kind of systematic discrimination. Excesses like this happen even in Germany during peace.
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    what I noticed were reports against discrimination against South Asians (India was very vocal). It needs to be mentioned that India has not yet condemned Russia for the invasion and plays itself neutral. They are also the "I" in BRIC and therefore must be seen on the side of Russia until they make it perfectly clear. I'm not surprised that they aren't treated with silk-gloves by Ukraine (student or worker or whatever reason they're there for). It's India's responsibility to set the record straight so that UA knows if the people still in the country will be targeted back home for intel that can help Russia. It's reckless from the Modi government to throw them under the bus in this manner, but it's not unexpected.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  listening to the other extreme isn't giving you their POV or even their perception of reality. it just gives you what they want you to believe, and more propaganda. if the aim is not simply more entertainment for our lizard brain (voluntary indoctrination while being also fully aware that this is what's happening), then the better way for seeking truth isn't to hear all sides but to find outlets that are not having a horse in this race. (which unfortunately is almost impossible, but my point stands that it will not add value for seeking truth)
jdrc 5y ago
it is, and that's important to know. most russians (and more importantly russians abroad) are presented with the same tired old propaganda they always did
- shabier 5y ago
  > most russians (and more importantly russians abroad) are presented with the same tired old propaganda they always did I'm going to be thát guy; do you have sources to support that claim? I've been hearing about that sentiment but haven't seen any data about it.
  - jdrc 5y ago
    Look at /rtnews telegram channel
friedturkey 5y ago
It’s useful to know what some people are fed and what the source of “their” opinions may be. It’s also useful to see what overdone propaganda is like to have a solid reference point for when our own countries try to do the same.
rightbyte 5y ago
RT's cover of the war is quite good if you want to read the party line view of it in english - which of course is interesting. TASS is better though. RT cut down their tabloid tone a notch too. RTs main problem is that it is called Russia Today. That is a worthless name to do foreign psyops ... learn from al-Jazeera.

newsclues 5y ago

It’s not worthless if you contrast it to the propaganda from CNN.

fer 5y ago
It's worthless since everything on RT is "Russia is always right, the rest are always wrong, and also they're Nazis/fascists/imperialists, and America/NATO did it too btw".
- shabier 5y ago
  So it is western media but from a Russian POV
  - pydry 5y ago
    Theyve clearly picked up a few tricks. Yesterday they published a story on chemical weapons WMD laboratories they supposedly found. Western media has ignored the story so far. It's almost as if it's designed specifically to be awkward to denounce.
  - fer 5y ago
    You have people defending Putin and his war on western media. You can find them without trouble. On the other hand, I dare you to find an RT story critical of Putin, without any sugarcoating. Beyond the war, on literally any topic. So no, it's not western media from a Russian POV.
    - shabier 5y ago
      You cannot simply give me one criterion, one that's conveniently specific to RT, to validate the statement in parent. Both sides are, generally speaking, enforcing a narrative and rejecting objectivity in favor of the narrative ergo it's propaganda
      - fer 5y ago
        It's the only criterion that matters when that country started a war. It's not specific to RT, it's specific to all media still able to publish and air in Russia. Freedom of press for me but not for thee. Any war the US started had significant opposition in local media. Saying that it's the same is disingenuous at best, Russian propaganda at worst.

herdcall 5y ago

Yes, but I'm not sure we can trust what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either, like 10K Russians killed, victory is imminent, etc. This way at least we may get tidbits from the other side, including arguments/thoughts from Russia side. E.g., I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugees (https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-people-being-prevented-from-leaving-ukraine-26f42f1783f1 https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-pe...). If you're only listening to the Ukraine friendly media, you'll miss that (IMO important fact).

emteycz 5y ago
There are individual excesses, but definitely no kind of systematic discrimination. Excesses like this happen even in Germany during peace.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  what I noticed were reports against discrimination against South Asians (India was very vocal). It needs to be mentioned that India has not yet condemned Russia for the invasion and plays itself neutral. They are also the "I" in BRIC and therefore must be seen on the side of Russia until they make it perfectly clear. I'm not surprised that they aren't treated with silk-gloves by Ukraine (student or worker or whatever reason they're there for). It's India's responsibility to set the record straight so that UA knows if the people still in the country will be targeted back home for intel that can help Russia. It's reckless from the Modi government to throw them under the bus in this manner, but it's not unexpected.
DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
listening to the other extreme isn't giving you their POV or even their perception of reality. it just gives you what they want you to believe, and more propaganda. if the aim is not simply more entertainment for our lizard brain (voluntary indoctrination while being also fully aware that this is what's happening), then the better way for seeking truth isn't to hear all sides but to find outlets that are not having a horse in this race. (which unfortunately is almost impossible, but my point stands that it will not add value for seeking truth)

jdrc 5y ago

it is, and that's important to know. most russians (and more importantly russians abroad) are presented with the same tired old propaganda they always did

shabier 5y ago
> most russians (and more importantly russians abroad) are presented with the same tired old propaganda they always did I'm going to be thát guy; do you have sources to support that claim? I've been hearing about that sentiment but haven't seen any data about it.
- jdrc 5y ago
  Look at /rtnews telegram channel

friedturkey 5y ago

It’s useful to know what some people are fed and what the source of “their” opinions may be. It’s also useful to see what overdone propaganda is like to have a solid reference point for when our own countries try to do the same.

rightbyte 5y ago

RT's cover of the war is quite good if you want to read the party line view of it in english - which of course is interesting. TASS is better though. RT cut down their tabloid tone a notch too. RTs main problem is that it is called Russia Today. That is a worthless name to do foreign psyops ... learn from al-Jazeera.