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Good. It's insane that the west is calling out censorship from Russia, but is doing the exact same thing itself.
by jbverschoor 5y ago
Good. It's insane that the west is calling out censorship from Russia, but is doing the exact same thing itself.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoIt's pure propaganda by now. Even journalists of RT in the West decided to quit their job ( publicly announced through Twitter), because it went insane.
- pyronik19 5y agoIt'd be nice if the "journalist" at CNN had the same kind of integrity.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoCNN is not a state owned propaganda machine.
- gadders 5y agoI think the accusation would be that it is party-owned.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoCNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.
- logicchains 5y ago>Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.
- _kbh_ 5y agoIs this why they invaded Georgia in 2008?. Russia sure as a habit of invading former soviet states them claiming some rubbish as a justification why.
- foverzar 5y agoHow does Georgian invasion of South Ossetia, protected by Russia under Sochi agreement, constitute as "rubbish justification"?
- lawn 5y agoUkraine is in fact in war, and it was not NATOs push eastward that forced Russia into war. So they're not at all the same.
- david422 5y agoRussia is doing whatever it wants and then putting the blame elsewhere. The responsibility lies 100% with Russia.
- myko 5y ago> Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN. The only time this comes up on CNN is when they show Putin saying it and talk about what a bullshit lie it is. The fact is Putin wants to reestablish the Russian Empire. This was just one of the myriad excuses he used to invade. Repeating it is repeating Putin's propaganda, which is the job of his propaganda groups RT/Sputnik/etc
- foverzar 5y ago> talk about what a bullshit lie it is And everyone happily consumes this, as no one has their own opinion anymore. Doesn't make it less of a concern from security perspective of Russia. Frankly, this kind of chauvinistic attitude is one of the main actual reasons of why Russian-Western relations had degraded to this point. All of this had already been predicted by political experts all over the world almost 20 years ago. > The fact is Putin wants to reestablish the Russian Empire Please don't state such ridiculous assertions as facts.
- shabier 5y ago> Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Except when it comes to the controversial topics. CNN is everything but honest or objective
- programmarchy 5y agoRight, it’s owned by a financial elite who also have control over the state. In China and Russia, there’s a managerial class who run the state and have control over the financial elite.
- keymone 5y agoAre you for real comparing integrity of CNN and RT? Show me a single outright lie CNN published, comparable to RT publishing a story that ukrainian army crucified a child on a main square in 2014 which caused some people in russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention of killing ukrainians. Edit: here, educate yourself - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy
- pyronik19 5y agoDonald Trump colluded with the Russians to rig the 2016 election was an outright lie pumped for years on CNN on a daily basis.
- coffeeblack 5y agoSome have, not only at CNN. However, the level of propaganda on RT is very different.
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- username3 5y ago“All news sources are partially propaganda, some more than others” -https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499982913949081600 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499982913949081600
- HarryHirsch 5y agoSaul among the prophets
- bigodbiel 5y agoCNN’s coverage of the conflict has really been spectacular, it’s sad that they only shine during troubled times like these.
- rvz 5y ago> you're an imbecile. Ad Hominem. The mainstream media has that history of spreading its own 'peacefully protesting propaganda' and other lies from the past decade or so. Too many to list here. No different to RT.
- adolph 5y agoAnd tell us the word for a person who resorts to name calling?
- keymone 5y agoSince when blocking enemy's propaganda considered "bad"?
- shabier 5y agoSo North Korea is doing good then
- keymone 5y agosure, from their perspective they are. but they are a tyrannical dictatorship - we know that. don't we? do you? just checking, because, you know...
- shabier 5y ago> because, you know... No, please, do tell. Does a different stance make you fascist? Or does it make you pro-Putin? Or are you about to accuse me of being paid for taking a different stance? You've already called me "fcking piece of sht garbage of a human" in a different thread. Ironic.
- keymone 5y agoit would explain a lot about you if you don't consider north korea a tyrannical dictatorship. so do you or do you not?
- shabier 5y agoWhich part of "So North Korea is doing good then" do you not understand? Earlier, you said "sure, from their perspective they are" in reply to "So North Korea is doing good then". I suppose that your agreement with tyrannical dictatorships explains more about you than anyone else.
- keymone 5y agoit's war. just like north korea would launch missiles during war, they would block enemy propaganda during war. doing the same doesn't make you tyrannical dictatorship - it's just means of waging war. weird that i have to explain basics of logic to you. or maybe not weird at all..
- disambiguation 5y agoIt's not really insane, it's a difficult dilemma. To play devils advocate, why should we give our enemies the same rights as our neighbors? Both cohorts are not held accountable in the same ways, nor can we expect our enemies to reciprocate the same good faith. I think in principle free speech is good, but RT news - and any and all messaging coming out of Russia - should be classified as such. If said propaganda is disguised as genuine sentiment on social media then that's bad for free speech.
- jbverschoor 5y agoLet’s block all advertorials or posts that are biased. Ads used to be called “commercial propaganda”
- disambiguation 5y agoThat's not what I'm suggesting. The problem is ultimately anonymity, and people trusting anonymous posts as face value. If we had a rigorous identity layer, a lot of this would be resolved.
- jbverschoor 5y agoPeople also trust non-anonymous posts. You just have to form your own view based on several sources, and try to verify / dismiss some of them. Put everything together, hopefully not like in the movies (wall full of pictures, thumbtacks, and rope)
- disambiguation 5y agoSure identified sources can be bad actors too, but that doesn't really matter w.r.t free speech. For one, the effects are asymmetric. Anonymous bad actors can do more harm than identified sources can do good. Identity discourages bad behavior. Second, free speech and other ideals of liberalism assume that people are fundamentally good. So if the identified sources are openly bad actors such that they out weigh the good actors, then you're kind of screwed regardless.
- anomie31 5y agoNo one in the US government is forcing their hand here, and freedom of speech includes freedom from compelled speech, or the compelled platforming of others.