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> These are not equal things. What Russia is doing is not related to how to US behaves. A war of permanent occupation, and oppression, under absolute rule, is n

> These are not equal things. What Russia is doing is not related to how to US behaves. A war of permanent occupation, and oppression, under absolute rule, is not the same. How can we know what Russia is going to do in Ukraine? Did Putin tell you? For now, we can say they're the same. Not to mention all those countries supported financially, militarily... by the US, who apply an absolute rule of oppression to their citizens.

krzyk 5y ago
Well, is Ukraine run by a dictator? Nope So the comparison is false to begin with. Similarity would be if Iraq attacked Israel (a dictator attacks democracy).
- severino 5y ago
  So, it is OK to invade a country, and cause losses among its civilians, if the president of that country does not qualify for the western definition of democracy? Also, both Chile or Guatemala were democracies when the US financed and organized the coups that deposed their elected presidents, just to put some friend dictator.
  - krzyk 5y ago
    > So, it is OK to invade a country, and cause losses among its civilians, if the president of that country does not qualify for the western definition of democracy? Yes, and any "definition of democracy" is questionable, either you have it or you don't. Do you think that Saddam was in any "definition" a democratic president? How about Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Putin? > Also, both Chile or Guatemala were democracies when the US financed and organized the coups that deposed their elected presidents, just to put some friend dictator. That was wrong, what can I say? I don't pretend US is a good guy, it is more gray. But in that color definition Russia is black, or at least very dark gray. And no, I'm not US citizen.
jcranmer 5y ago
> How can we know what Russia is going to do in Ukraine? Did Putin tell you? Actually, Putin has given a few speeches on the topic. In the most recent one, I believe, he said that he wanted to annex Ukraine. After a previous speech in which he said that he doesn't believe Ukraine has any existence as an ethnic state, since Ukrainians are (to him) just Russians.
- severino 5y ago
  Actually, it looks like the official statement points towards the opposite direction. You can read it here, no need to believe my words: https://www.trtworld.com/europe/lavrov-russia-s-goal-is-to-demilitarise-denazify-ukraine-55234 https://www.trtworld.com/europe/lavrov-russia-s-goal-is-to-d...

krzyk 5y ago

Well, is Ukraine run by a dictator? Nope So the comparison is false to begin with. Similarity would be if Iraq attacked Israel (a dictator attacks democracy).

severino 5y ago
So, it is OK to invade a country, and cause losses among its civilians, if the president of that country does not qualify for the western definition of democracy? Also, both Chile or Guatemala were democracies when the US financed and organized the coups that deposed their elected presidents, just to put some friend dictator.
- krzyk 5y ago
  > So, it is OK to invade a country, and cause losses among its civilians, if the president of that country does not qualify for the western definition of democracy? Yes, and any "definition of democracy" is questionable, either you have it or you don't. Do you think that Saddam was in any "definition" a democratic president? How about Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Stalin, Putin? > Also, both Chile or Guatemala were democracies when the US financed and organized the coups that deposed their elected presidents, just to put some friend dictator. That was wrong, what can I say? I don't pretend US is a good guy, it is more gray. But in that color definition Russia is black, or at least very dark gray. And no, I'm not US citizen.

jcranmer 5y ago

> How can we know what Russia is going to do in Ukraine? Did Putin tell you? Actually, Putin has given a few speeches on the topic. In the most recent one, I believe, he said that he wanted to annex Ukraine. After a previous speech in which he said that he doesn't believe Ukraine has any existence as an ethnic state, since Ukrainians are (to him) just Russians.

severino 5y ago
Actually, it looks like the official statement points towards the opposite direction. You can read it here, no need to believe my words: https://www.trtworld.com/europe/lavrov-russia-s-goal-is-to-demilitarise-denazify-ukraine-55234 https://www.trtworld.com/europe/lavrov-russia-s-goal-is-to-d...