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Then you need to find a different country to hang out in. Much like you would if you felt that covering your genitals was a needless cultural construct that dis

by CPLX 5y ago

Then you need to find a different country to hang out in. Much like you would if you felt that covering your genitals was a needless cultural construct that disgusts you. We live in a society.

lostlogin 5y ago
We do. And surely we can improve it?
- CPLX 5y ago
  Perhaps. Don’t think you’re improving it by stiffing service workers on tips though.
  - dataexporter 5y ago
    Tipping culture in the US will never change unless millions of customers suddenly stop paying tips. When millions of customers stop paying tips at the same time if puts the pressure on establishments to start paying their employees fair wages. Customers should go on tip-strike
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    I don’t tip but also live somewhere with a far better minimum wage.
- thaway2839 5y ago
  Not by not tipping the server who can legally be paid less than minimum wage by their employers.
  - dataexporter 5y ago
    Tipping culture in the US will never change unless millions of customers suddenly stop paying tips. When millions of customers stop paying tips at the same time if puts the pressure on establishments to start paying their employees fair wages. Customers should go on tip-strikes.
    - CPLX 5y ago
      That's not correct. There's no plausible scenario where some sort of mass collective customer driven action requiring coordination is going to be effective. Tipping culture will change when restaurants change their compensation structure. A restaurant can commit to paying the team a fair wage, include the costs in the menu pricing, prohibit tipping, and loudly market that it's what they are doing. It's happened in many places and it works. Danny Meyer in NYC seems to be doing pretty well with this plan for example. Depriving the least powerful people in the whole equation isn't a solution. Lobby the business owners who actually make the decisions.
Mirioron 5y ago
You're not wrong there. The US is definitely on the list of countries that I don't want to visit. Albeit for other reasons.

by CPLX 5y ago

Then you need to find a different country to hang out in. Much like you would if you felt that covering your genitals was a needless cultural construct that disgusts you. We live in a society.

lostlogin 5y ago

We do. And surely we can improve it?

CPLX 5y ago
Perhaps. Don’t think you’re improving it by stiffing service workers on tips though.
- dataexporter 5y ago
  Tipping culture in the US will never change unless millions of customers suddenly stop paying tips. When millions of customers stop paying tips at the same time if puts the pressure on establishments to start paying their employees fair wages. Customers should go on tip-strike
- lostlogin 5y ago
  I don’t tip but also live somewhere with a far better minimum wage.
thaway2839 5y ago
Not by not tipping the server who can legally be paid less than minimum wage by their employers.
- dataexporter 5y ago
  Tipping culture in the US will never change unless millions of customers suddenly stop paying tips. When millions of customers stop paying tips at the same time if puts the pressure on establishments to start paying their employees fair wages. Customers should go on tip-strikes.
  - CPLX 5y ago
    That's not correct. There's no plausible scenario where some sort of mass collective customer driven action requiring coordination is going to be effective. Tipping culture will change when restaurants change their compensation structure. A restaurant can commit to paying the team a fair wage, include the costs in the menu pricing, prohibit tipping, and loudly market that it's what they are doing. It's happened in many places and it works. Danny Meyer in NYC seems to be doing pretty well with this plan for example. Depriving the least powerful people in the whole equation isn't a solution. Lobby the business owners who actually make the decisions.

Mirioron 5y ago

You're not wrong there. The US is definitely on the list of countries that I don't want to visit. Albeit for other reasons.