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I'm progressive enough that I'm frequently called an SJW, but I think the concept of cultural appropriation is one of the worst ideas humans have invented. Cult

I'm progressive enough that I'm frequently called an SJW, but I think the concept of cultural appropriation is one of the worst ideas humans have invented. Cultures don't own stuff, individuals own stuff. Mixing, adapting, and copying from each other is how we grow and develop.

johannes1234321 5y ago
That is true, however creating something is work, thus the creator should be rewarded for it. Whether that is by sharing the proceeds of the creation, some state budget or whatever is the next question, but we need ways for creators to be able to create while sustaining a proper life, else there can't be "serious" new creative pieces. And for some works (software, orchestra music, movie, ...) you also need not only one person but a large group with organisation and all.
- 988747 5y ago
  Can you name the inventor of pizza? If I make a pizza at home, do they loose any money? Should it be forbidden for non-Italian people to make pizza, on the grounds of cultural appropriation? I think it is exact opposite: the fact that pizza is one of the most popular foods worldwide benefits Italians. Any Italian can brag: we invented pizza. Also any Jamaican can brag: my homies invented reggae music. It doesn't matter that much whether a reggae song that you can hear in the radio was made by an actual Jamaican or not. Copying is the greatest compliment.
  - johannes1234321 5y ago
    That is in no way a counterpoint to my statement. The margarita probably was created by Raffaele Esposito who had a restaurant and could sell Pizza to a large enough degree to refinance it as the value wasn't in the recipe, but in the exact way the produced it and having an oven and the restaurant and anybody who wanted to sell their versions had to invest in an oven and ingredients and then needs skills to make a better pizza. However if i record a music album and I have no protection anybody can copy it for free, without any investment and in the current system the original musicians have no benefit as each copy of the recording would be equally well.
adolph 5y ago
> Cultures don't own stuff, individuals own stuff. What does it mean to own stuff? Clearly more entity classes than individuals can own stuff—much IP is owned by companies, a legal fiction of an individual owned by people in the class of shareholder with generous but limited dispositional power held by people classed as company officers. Some cultures have established foundations and such to own things, like the Free Software Foundation or the Scientologists. Some fishing rights are granted to certain cultures which pre-existed contemporary government.
KarlKemp 5y ago
I‘m in the same position and agree wrt to the term „cultural appropriation“. One example for IP shared by a culture would, however, be protected terms of origin, such as Champagne or Bourbon.

johannes1234321 5y ago

That is true, however creating something is work, thus the creator should be rewarded for it. Whether that is by sharing the proceeds of the creation, some state budget or whatever is the next question, but we need ways for creators to be able to create while sustaining a proper life, else there can't be "serious" new creative pieces. And for some works (software, orchestra music, movie, ...) you also need not only one person but a large group with organisation and all.

988747 5y ago
Can you name the inventor of pizza? If I make a pizza at home, do they loose any money? Should it be forbidden for non-Italian people to make pizza, on the grounds of cultural appropriation? I think it is exact opposite: the fact that pizza is one of the most popular foods worldwide benefits Italians. Any Italian can brag: we invented pizza. Also any Jamaican can brag: my homies invented reggae music. It doesn't matter that much whether a reggae song that you can hear in the radio was made by an actual Jamaican or not. Copying is the greatest compliment.
- johannes1234321 5y ago
  That is in no way a counterpoint to my statement. The margarita probably was created by Raffaele Esposito who had a restaurant and could sell Pizza to a large enough degree to refinance it as the value wasn't in the recipe, but in the exact way the produced it and having an oven and the restaurant and anybody who wanted to sell their versions had to invest in an oven and ingredients and then needs skills to make a better pizza. However if i record a music album and I have no protection anybody can copy it for free, without any investment and in the current system the original musicians have no benefit as each copy of the recording would be equally well.

adolph 5y ago

> Cultures don't own stuff, individuals own stuff. What does it mean to own stuff? Clearly more entity classes than individuals can own stuff—much IP is owned by companies, a legal fiction of an individual owned by people in the class of shareholder with generous but limited dispositional power held by people classed as company officers. Some cultures have established foundations and such to own things, like the Free Software Foundation or the Scientologists. Some fishing rights are granted to certain cultures which pre-existed contemporary government.

KarlKemp 5y ago

I‘m in the same position and agree wrt to the term „cultural appropriation“. One example for IP shared by a culture would, however, be protected terms of origin, such as Champagne or Bourbon.