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> Adobe was trying to work with Apple, and Apple rebuffed them. The opposite was stated in a legal deposition by Scott Forstall (ex-SVP of iOS) just last year[

> Adobe was trying to work with Apple, and Apple rebuffed them. The opposite was stated in a legal deposition by Scott Forstall (ex-SVP of iOS) just last year[0]. We did not ship Flash. We tried to make Flash work. We helped Adobe. We definitely were interested. Again, this is one where I thought if we could help make it work, this could be great. Flash has been such a problem because the way that it hooks into systems, it’s been a virus nightmare on Windows, even on the Mac. And when we got it running on iOS, the performance was just abysmal and embarrassing and it could never get to something which would be consumer value add. [0] https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/27/apple-tried-to-help-adobe-bring-flash-to-ios-but-the-results-were-embarrassing/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/27/apple-tried-to-help-adobe-bri... and many other places which reported it

FireBeyond 5y ago
Apropos of anything else, there's pretty much zero substance to this. "We tried". "We helped". "We were interested". It's entirely possible to say each of those things, under oath, be accurate, and still absolutely undercut things. I wouldn't expect an SVP of Apple, in a lawsuit to say, "Yeah, we really didn't give a shit, and weren't sad that it failed."
- hajile 5y ago
  If Apple had given nominal help to Adobe, that would have been brought up along with the observation that Apple didn't really help. Flash was available on several Android phones of the time. These phones had faster processors than their iphone competitors and the experience still sucked. I liked having the option at the time, but it was a terrible experience every time I was forced to exercise that option. The biggest contentions of the time would have been videos and games. Video caused issues because flash player only sites were everywhere. On the other hand, they released canvas support (necessary for performant games) in 2010 the month before Jobs released his letter.

FireBeyond 5y ago

Apropos of anything else, there's pretty much zero substance to this. "We tried". "We helped". "We were interested". It's entirely possible to say each of those things, under oath, be accurate, and still absolutely undercut things. I wouldn't expect an SVP of Apple, in a lawsuit to say, "Yeah, we really didn't give a shit, and weren't sad that it failed."

hajile 5y ago
If Apple had given nominal help to Adobe, that would have been brought up along with the observation that Apple didn't really help. Flash was available on several Android phones of the time. These phones had faster processors than their iphone competitors and the experience still sucked. I liked having the option at the time, but it was a terrible experience every time I was forced to exercise that option. The biggest contentions of the time would have been videos and games. Video caused issues because flash player only sites were everywhere. On the other hand, they released canvas support (necessary for performant games) in 2010 the month before Jobs released his letter.