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Great comment! This brought back so many similar memories - spending hours configuring Enlightenment and tweaking my desktop with transparency and flames (I hop

by bxjx 5y ago

Great comment! This brought back so many similar memories - spending hours configuring Enlightenment and tweaking my desktop with transparency and flames (I hope Rasterman is still out there coding somewhere), everything2, audioscrobbler and last.fm. You're so right that the internet seemed so full of possibilities.

bloopernova 5y ago
Was it Rasterman's Rxvt/Xterm .Xresources I used for his great colour scheme? I think so. I actually met my first wife through Everything2. At the risk of further exposing who I am, I even hosted the site at the University of Michigan Business School's little datacentre for a while. Good times!
mark_undoio 5y ago
Enlightenment was a particular favourite for me! But Rasterman is, as far as I know, still coding like crazy on new versions of Enlightenment: https://www.enlightenment.org/ https://www.enlightenment.org/ It's evolved into more of a desktop now that plain window managers aren't something people usually think of. It's still got great eye candy, though I miss some of the old themes I used to use. The Enlightenment libraries were used in Samsung's Tizen OS too - hopefully they got some consultancy money out of that (or similar).
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Tizen is practically dead.
- cyberpunk 5y ago
  It's a hellscape of misery and suffering. https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened
  - jancsika 5y ago
    You left out the best part-- the enlightenment developer starts replying in page five of the comments and gets caught up in a flame war! https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened/243?lang=en-US&page=5 https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened/243?lan... It really does seem like the author of the article didn't read the docs, though. E.g., he states that Genlist "in essence is a list widget with some items." But according to the docs the "simple list" widget is the tool that fits that definition. Genlist is way more complex and apparently meant to handle situations with a large number of total items. Whether reallocation is an appropriate approach to get that complexity I don't know. But if it's the wrong tool for the job, who cares?
  - badsectoracula 5y ago
    That article is wrong on several levels and the author just doesn't seem to understand what is going on. The whole part about how to set up windows is him not understanding that he's working with a retained mode scene graph - something the documentation[0] makes that clear. Ironically you are more likely to see such an approach in modern GUI toolkits than when EFL was written. [0] https://docs.tizen.org/application/native/guides/ui/efl/graphical-objects/ https://docs.tizen.org/application/native/guides/ui/efl/grap...
jcims 5y ago
Don’t forget the dark arts of configuring the Modeline in your X config to get that rock solid, flicker free screen of ridiculous resolution. And when you would push the limits and hear your crt scream in protest or start tumbling, tearing or just tapping out.
- krylon 5y ago
  Oh yes. I absolutely hated editing that file, but when I got lucky and got it right on the first or second try, that rush was something I doubt Windows or Mac users get often. Although now that I'm a bit older, I'm glad I don't need to do that anymore. The closest equivalent is probably tweaking memory on DOS to get that new game to run, but I just got to see the tail end of that era. Mandatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/963/ https://xkcd.com/963/
  - sobkas 5y ago
    > Oh yes. I absolutely hated editing that file, but when I got lucky and got it right on the first or second try, that rush was something I doubt Windows or Mac users get often. Although now that I'm a bit older, I'm glad I don't need to do that anymore. > The closest equivalent is probably tweaking memory on DOS to get that new game to run, but I just got to see the tail end of that era. > Mandatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/963/ https://xkcd.com/963/ Oh the times before it was xorg. And even before that, when for a proper modular accelerated X you had to pay or use X build for your graphic card. I remember buying new graphic card just to use a new modular XFree86(no drivers for my old one). Now everything is so easy...
    - krylon 5y ago
      Hehe. I like to think I'm not that much of an old timer, but I do remember having to download the driver for my sound card (Aureal Vortex<$something>) and compile an out-of-tree-module to get sound. For a long, long time I was happy to even get XFree86 and later Xorg to work without 3D acceleration. By the time I started to care, helpful people from the Internet had taken care of most of the revolting details. And when proper 3D acceleration became important (compiz was just gorgeous), vendors were reasonably happy to supply drivers for their GPUs. In essence, though, I agree, Linux-on-the-desktop has gotten so much more easy over the past ~20 years.
zelos 5y ago
He worked on OpenMoko for a while when they chose enlightenment libs for the UI.
josephd79 5y ago
I still use last.fm lol
- eliaspro 5y ago
  I started using it when it still was called AudioScrobbler... I miss "the old internet" so much!
- wyclif 5y ago
  I do too, but I wish they'd do something with it instead of letting it languish. Scrobbling keeps breaking. How hard could it be to keep a scrobbling site up in 2022?
johnisgood 5y ago
The Enlightenment that has always been 17 and we were waiting for it to finally turn to 18? The one that had transparent windows through some plugins or whatever? Hell yeah! I installed it on Gentoo and when I made the windows transparent, I felt like I could do anything! I had Beryl, too, at some point.
LAC-Tech 5y ago
I spent a few minutes a day over a couple of weeks tweaking my i3 desktop. It's still a thing :)

by bxjx 5y ago

bloopernova 5y ago

Was it Rasterman's Rxvt/Xterm .Xresources I used for his great colour scheme? I think so. I actually met my first wife through Everything2. At the risk of further exposing who I am, I even hosted the site at the University of Michigan Business School's little datacentre for a while. Good times!

mark_undoio 5y ago

Enlightenment was a particular favourite for me! But Rasterman is, as far as I know, still coding like crazy on new versions of Enlightenment: https://www.enlightenment.org/ https://www.enlightenment.org/ It's evolved into more of a desktop now that plain window managers aren't something people usually think of. It's still got great eye candy, though I miss some of the old themes I used to use. The Enlightenment libraries were used in Samsung's Tizen OS too - hopefully they got some consultancy money out of that (or similar).

pjmlp 5y ago
Tizen is practically dead.
cyberpunk 5y ago
It's a hellscape of misery and suffering. https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened
- jancsika 5y ago
  You left out the best part-- the enlightenment developer starts replying in page five of the comments and gets caught up in a flame war! https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened/243?lang=en-US&page=5 https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened/243?lan... It really does seem like the author of the article didn't read the docs, though. E.g., he states that Genlist "in essence is a list widget with some items." But according to the docs the "simple list" widget is the tool that fits that definition. Genlist is way more complex and apparently meant to handle situations with a large number of total items. Whether reallocation is an appropriate approach to get that complexity I don't know. But if it's the wrong tool for the job, who cares?
- badsectoracula 5y ago
  That article is wrong on several levels and the author just doesn't seem to understand what is going on. The whole part about how to set up windows is him not understanding that he's working with a retained mode scene graph - something the documentation[0] makes that clear. Ironically you are more likely to see such an approach in modern GUI toolkits than when EFL was written. [0] https://docs.tizen.org/application/native/guides/ui/efl/graphical-objects/ https://docs.tizen.org/application/native/guides/ui/efl/grap...

jcims 5y ago

Don’t forget the dark arts of configuring the Modeline in your X config to get that rock solid, flicker free screen of ridiculous resolution. And when you would push the limits and hear your crt scream in protest or start tumbling, tearing or just tapping out.

krylon 5y ago
Oh yes. I absolutely hated editing that file, but when I got lucky and got it right on the first or second try, that rush was something I doubt Windows or Mac users get often. Although now that I'm a bit older, I'm glad I don't need to do that anymore. The closest equivalent is probably tweaking memory on DOS to get that new game to run, but I just got to see the tail end of that era. Mandatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/963/ https://xkcd.com/963/
- sobkas 5y ago
  > Oh yes. I absolutely hated editing that file, but when I got lucky and got it right on the first or second try, that rush was something I doubt Windows or Mac users get often. Although now that I'm a bit older, I'm glad I don't need to do that anymore. > The closest equivalent is probably tweaking memory on DOS to get that new game to run, but I just got to see the tail end of that era. > Mandatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/963/ https://xkcd.com/963/ Oh the times before it was xorg. And even before that, when for a proper modular accelerated X you had to pay or use X build for your graphic card. I remember buying new graphic card just to use a new modular XFree86(no drivers for my old one). Now everything is so easy...
  - krylon 5y ago
    Hehe. I like to think I'm not that much of an old timer, but I do remember having to download the driver for my sound card (Aureal Vortex<$something>) and compile an out-of-tree-module to get sound. For a long, long time I was happy to even get XFree86 and later Xorg to work without 3D acceleration. By the time I started to care, helpful people from the Internet had taken care of most of the revolting details. And when proper 3D acceleration became important (compiz was just gorgeous), vendors were reasonably happy to supply drivers for their GPUs. In essence, though, I agree, Linux-on-the-desktop has gotten so much more easy over the past ~20 years.

zelos 5y ago

He worked on OpenMoko for a while when they chose enlightenment libs for the UI.

josephd79 5y ago

I still use last.fm lol

eliaspro 5y ago
I started using it when it still was called AudioScrobbler... I miss "the old internet" so much!
wyclif 5y ago
I do too, but I wish they'd do something with it instead of letting it languish. Scrobbling keeps breaking. How hard could it be to keep a scrobbling site up in 2022?

johnisgood 5y ago

The Enlightenment that has always been 17 and we were waiting for it to finally turn to 18? The one that had transparent windows through some plugins or whatever? Hell yeah! I installed it on Gentoo and when I made the windows transparent, I felt like I could do anything! I had Beryl, too, at some point.

LAC-Tech 5y ago

I spent a few minutes a day over a couple of weeks tweaking my i3 desktop. It's still a thing :)