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Related: Qt disabled downloads for anyone that has a Belarus or Russian IP-Address. There are talks about why they blocked it currently going on at their public

Related: Qt disabled downloads for anyone that has a Belarus or Russian IP-Address. There are talks about why they blocked it currently going on at their public mailing list[1]. One argument that came up, is that the downloads are blocked, because Qt is also used in the military. My guess is that this will definitely strengthen other UI toolkits like Flutter in the future. [1] https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2022-March/042288.html https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2022-Marc...

xvilka 5y ago
Flutter is not an alternative to Qt, not even close. Not to speak about C++ compatibility. If anything, things like GTK+, WxWidgets, EFL are on the same page, albeit less polished and advanced.
- Kelteseth 5y ago
  Depends on what your requirements are. If it "modern" design (let's not start the millionth discussion on what native/modern design is here), that is also supported on mobile/web, then I would say go with flutter as UI and something like rust as your main language to write your business logic in [1]. You can even use regular c++ with their FFI [2]. [1] https://github.com/fzyzcjy/flutter_rust_bridge https://github.com/fzyzcjy/flutter_rust_bridge [2] https://docs.flutter.dev/development/platform-integration/c-interop https://docs.flutter.dev/development/platform-integration/c-...
ttybird2 5y ago
The thread in their forum: https://forum.qt.io/topic/134724/unlock-qt-in-russia https://forum.qt.io/topic/134724/unlock-qt-in-russia
simonh 5y ago
It won't make any real practical difference, there are plenty of indirect ways to get those downloads and I'm sure Russians will start mirroring the repos within the country. This sort of thing is more about making a point.
poulpy123 5y ago
what other countries are blocked ?
- Kelteseth 5y ago
  Looks like only Russia and Belarus.
8358373583 5y ago
The justification that "Qt might be used in military applications (it is today)" is ridiculous. This isn't going to stop the military from using Qt. It's only going to stop poor ordinary people who can't afford a VPN and don't know how to use Tor. I think this is motivated by bigotry against Russian and Belarusian people caused by a collectivist view of the world where people who had nothing to do with a crime should still be punished for it. It's really scary and disappointing to see. As a black person living in a European country with very little racism, I thought my non-experince of racism was evidence that it's possible for a society to move past racism all together and treat everyone as the individuals they are, but in the last week I have heard more bigoted statements about people based on their origin than in all my life beforehand, including from people I would never have expected anything like that from. We are seeing Russians who have strongly condemned Putin's war being ostracised and denied opportunities for something that's completely outside of their control. This is both morally wrong and contraproductive.
- CoastalCoder 5y ago
  Why do you attribute Qt's actions to racism rather than their stated reason? Even if you're right about them being disingenuous, I don't see why this would be racism. Maybe nationalism?
  - dchftcs 5y ago
    The person didn't attribute it to racism, instead just used racism as an analogy.
    - CoastalCoder 5y ago
      Thanks for the correction. I may have not read carefully enough.
- dchftcs 5y ago
  Yes, it's insane that people who don't necessarily support Putin are deprived of resources and opportunity, all in the name of justice. I think a lot people just want to show they did something, just any random thing, not knowing that by alienating potential allies in Russia they're forcing people in Russia to beg to be on Putin's side.

xvilka 5y ago

Flutter is not an alternative to Qt, not even close. Not to speak about C++ compatibility. If anything, things like GTK+, WxWidgets, EFL are on the same page, albeit less polished and advanced.

Kelteseth 5y ago
Depends on what your requirements are. If it "modern" design (let's not start the millionth discussion on what native/modern design is here), that is also supported on mobile/web, then I would say go with flutter as UI and something like rust as your main language to write your business logic in [1]. You can even use regular c++ with their FFI [2]. [1] https://github.com/fzyzcjy/flutter_rust_bridge https://github.com/fzyzcjy/flutter_rust_bridge [2] https://docs.flutter.dev/development/platform-integration/c-interop https://docs.flutter.dev/development/platform-integration/c-...

ttybird2 5y ago

The thread in their forum: https://forum.qt.io/topic/134724/unlock-qt-in-russia https://forum.qt.io/topic/134724/unlock-qt-in-russia

simonh 5y ago

It won't make any real practical difference, there are plenty of indirect ways to get those downloads and I'm sure Russians will start mirroring the repos within the country. This sort of thing is more about making a point.

poulpy123 5y ago

what other countries are blocked ?

Kelteseth 5y ago
Looks like only Russia and Belarus.

8358373583 5y ago

The justification that "Qt might be used in military applications (it is today)" is ridiculous. This isn't going to stop the military from using Qt. It's only going to stop poor ordinary people who can't afford a VPN and don't know how to use Tor. I think this is motivated by bigotry against Russian and Belarusian people caused by a collectivist view of the world where people who had nothing to do with a crime should still be punished for it. It's really scary and disappointing to see. As a black person living in a European country with very little racism, I thought my non-experince of racism was evidence that it's possible for a society to move past racism all together and treat everyone as the individuals they are, but in the last week I have heard more bigoted statements about people based on their origin than in all my life beforehand, including from people I would never have expected anything like that from. We are seeing Russians who have strongly condemned Putin's war being ostracised and denied opportunities for something that's completely outside of their control. This is both morally wrong and contraproductive.

CoastalCoder 5y ago
Why do you attribute Qt's actions to racism rather than their stated reason? Even if you're right about them being disingenuous, I don't see why this would be racism. Maybe nationalism?
- dchftcs 5y ago
  The person didn't attribute it to racism, instead just used racism as an analogy.
  - CoastalCoder 5y ago
    Thanks for the correction. I may have not read carefully enough.
dchftcs 5y ago
Yes, it's insane that people who don't necessarily support Putin are deprived of resources and opportunity, all in the name of justice. I think a lot people just want to show they did something, just any random thing, not knowing that by alienating potential allies in Russia they're forcing people in Russia to beg to be on Putin's side.