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> "I always understood the "inherent" part as ..." This comes off as a just-so story to explain Apple's actions. That Apple would criticize Flash for being clo

> "I always understood the "inherent" part as ..." This comes off as a just-so story to explain Apple's actions. That Apple would criticize Flash for being closed-source is absurd, but that people would repeat that as a valid criticism is baffling. By the way, only the run-time was closed source. Build tools, language, was all open-source. You didn't even need Flash to compile a swf. > power-wise, HTML5+JS=FLASH I'm not sure what you're saying here. "power-wise"? What does that mean? HTML5 has in over 12 years never been able to deliver the experience that Flash does. They are completely different things. Jobs' successfully conflating them in everyone's mind is a testament to his power as an influencer. Awesome, really.

hulitu 5y ago
>That Apple would criticize Flash for being closed-source is absurd, but that people would repeat that as a valid criticism is baffling. That's how propaganda works. You need a lie and some newspapers to amplify it. Jobs was a "good" propagandist.
- yonixw 5y ago
  Can you both help us understand your stance, instead of throwing political words? In his open letter [1], Steve Jobs specifies his open source contribution for HTML5 and the Webkit browsers. Meanwhile Adobe itself did not contribute any. All the available tools noted above were not officials. He was very correct at the time. Also noted in the letter, the incentives in play are actually the opposite of what you have said, as how Apple and Adobe work together bringing Adobe software to Mac. Why would Steve Jobs hurt any Adobe product, isn't it hurting the MAC demographic at the time (artists)? As there was never any Apple software competing with Adobe. IMHO, it's more likely that flash on mobile were to be a real problem holding the iPad\iPhone back if supported. So much so, Steve had to publish it and gain support from the outside world. Because I doubt any C-Level executive would be behind him destroying the mutual relationship with adobe. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200430094807/https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200430094807/https://www.apple...

hulitu 5y ago

>That Apple would criticize Flash for being closed-source is absurd, but that people would repeat that as a valid criticism is baffling. That's how propaganda works. You need a lie and some newspapers to amplify it. Jobs was a "good" propagandist.

yonixw 5y ago
Can you both help us understand your stance, instead of throwing political words? In his open letter [1], Steve Jobs specifies his open source contribution for HTML5 and the Webkit browsers. Meanwhile Adobe itself did not contribute any. All the available tools noted above were not officials. He was very correct at the time. Also noted in the letter, the incentives in play are actually the opposite of what you have said, as how Apple and Adobe work together bringing Adobe software to Mac. Why would Steve Jobs hurt any Adobe product, isn't it hurting the MAC demographic at the time (artists)? As there was never any Apple software competing with Adobe. IMHO, it's more likely that flash on mobile were to be a real problem holding the iPad\iPhone back if supported. So much so, Steve had to publish it and gain support from the outside world. Because I doubt any C-Level executive would be behind him destroying the mutual relationship with adobe. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20200430094807/https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200430094807/https://www.apple...