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I don't think they did make that mistake. In Canada at least, if you go from $150k to $225k, you're effectively making $31k more, or about $131k depending on wh

I don't think they did make that mistake. In Canada at least, if you go from $150k to $225k, you're effectively making $31k more, or about $131k depending on where you live, as an actual employee. Certainly if you make a point of living somewhere incredibly cheap, then that difference will go farther, but the parent here was actually about accurate in saying you'd retain half of the difference. Living in Vancouver or Toronto for example, I'd still not be able to buy a home for quite a long time, and that difference would make a very minimal impact on my lifestyle, if I could hypothetically make that much. It would be preferable to optimize for free time.

scarface74 5y ago
All of the difference between when I made $150K to around $225K came from RSUs. The ones I get the first half of the year are taxed at 40% (12.4% FICA, 2.4% Medicare, 22% Federal, 6% state). The second half don’t get taxed for FICA. That made the difference in our lifestyle. Just for clarification, we pay the employer’s side of FICA on RSUs and I am soon moving to a state that doesn’t tax income. But why is there a belief that you work harder to get paid more? It was a lot more work being a senior dev/de facto “cloud architect” at a 60 person company where everyone look to me for guidance (in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king) than it is being a mid level consultant at a 1.6 trillion dollar company.
- brailsafe 5y ago
  Definitely not always the case, but quite often you end up needing to take on more responsibility, at least within the same company. The states has different bits that I'm unaware of, but in Canada there's no such thing as not paying income tax, but there are places with lower income tax.
- ericmay 5y ago
  I see a lot of people say they’re moving to a no-income tax state, but don’t you just make up the difference in fixed taxes like property tax? Maybe California and/or New York are specifically bad in ways I’m not aware of.
  - scarface74 5y ago
    Property taxes are also below average in Florida. A booming tourist industry does wonders.
    - ericmay 5y ago
      Does the federal government subsidize flood insurance in Florida too? Wonder if that rug will ever get pulled.
      - throwaway6734 5y ago
        Yes. Federal flood insurance rates are set to rise to more reasonable levels over the next few years and people are already complaining
  - pilotneko 5y ago
    For what it’s worth, I live in a no-income tax state (Tennessee). I didn’t move here, I just grew up here. We have some of the lowest property taxes in the country for metropolitan areas: I pay around $2,500/yr in property taxes for my home within the city limits of Nashville. The downside is that the city has very little income for infrastructure improvement/upkeep and education.
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  RSUs are withheld using that formula. They are taxed as ordinary income. It doesn’t matter on your taxes if you are earning dollars or RSUs.
  - scarface74 5y ago
    My company does not pay the employer side of FICA (7.4%) on RSUs
    - UncleMeat 5y ago
      This feels illegal but I’m certainly no lawyer. I’ve never heard of this sort of thing happening before for w2 employees. Learn something new every day.
      - scarface74 5y ago
        I’m sure someone would have called out the US’s second largest employer if it were illegal. Just to be clear - we have to pay the employer side.
    - boring_twenties 5y ago
      Most of FICA is social security, which only applies to the first $142k or so of your income. If you hit that cap before RSUs, then it wouldn't apply to those. (There's still the medicare portion, but that's only 1.45% each side.)

scarface74 5y ago

All of the difference between when I made $150K to around $225K came from RSUs. The ones I get the first half of the year are taxed at 40% (12.4% FICA, 2.4% Medicare, 22% Federal, 6% state). The second half don’t get taxed for FICA. That made the difference in our lifestyle. Just for clarification, we pay the employer’s side of FICA on RSUs and I am soon moving to a state that doesn’t tax income. But why is there a belief that you work harder to get paid more? It was a lot more work being a senior dev/de facto “cloud architect” at a 60 person company where everyone look to me for guidance (in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king) than it is being a mid level consultant at a 1.6 trillion dollar company.

brailsafe 5y ago
Definitely not always the case, but quite often you end up needing to take on more responsibility, at least within the same company. The states has different bits that I'm unaware of, but in Canada there's no such thing as not paying income tax, but there are places with lower income tax.
ericmay 5y ago
I see a lot of people say they’re moving to a no-income tax state, but don’t you just make up the difference in fixed taxes like property tax? Maybe California and/or New York are specifically bad in ways I’m not aware of.
- scarface74 5y ago
  Property taxes are also below average in Florida. A booming tourist industry does wonders.
  - ericmay 5y ago
    Does the federal government subsidize flood insurance in Florida too? Wonder if that rug will ever get pulled.
    - throwaway6734 5y ago
      Yes. Federal flood insurance rates are set to rise to more reasonable levels over the next few years and people are already complaining
- pilotneko 5y ago
  For what it’s worth, I live in a no-income tax state (Tennessee). I didn’t move here, I just grew up here. We have some of the lowest property taxes in the country for metropolitan areas: I pay around $2,500/yr in property taxes for my home within the city limits of Nashville. The downside is that the city has very little income for infrastructure improvement/upkeep and education.
UncleMeat 5y ago
RSUs are withheld using that formula. They are taxed as ordinary income. It doesn’t matter on your taxes if you are earning dollars or RSUs.
- scarface74 5y ago
  My company does not pay the employer side of FICA (7.4%) on RSUs
  - UncleMeat 5y ago
    This feels illegal but I’m certainly no lawyer. I’ve never heard of this sort of thing happening before for w2 employees. Learn something new every day.
    - scarface74 5y ago
      I’m sure someone would have called out the US’s second largest employer if it were illegal. Just to be clear - we have to pay the employer side.
  - boring_twenties 5y ago
    Most of FICA is social security, which only applies to the first $142k or so of your income. If you hit that cap before RSUs, then it wouldn't apply to those. (There's still the medicare portion, but that's only 1.45% each side.)