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Given what Russia has done so far this is one my fears. They could use a tactical nuclear bomb (for whatever sane or insane reasons) and I don't think that woul

by bhaak 5y ago

Given what Russia has done so far this is one my fears. They could use a tactical nuclear bomb (for whatever sane or insane reasons) and I don't think that would automatically escalate to nuclear options from the West. So that's good. Nobody wants WW3. But then? I guess it would make Russia even more of a pariah but what more could the West do? I think only a change on how China (and maybe India) is issuing pressure on Russia would help. And going nuclear would probably make that happen. So, yay? Scary when a nuclear option might be the only solution of solving this Gordian knot.

jansen555 5y ago
This is why, for the sack of my families and friends and many people I know worldwide, I want Zelenskyy to surrender. In 20 years of surrender, Putin probably dead, and new regime will very likely change their "economically ezpensive" policy and set Ukraine free. If we all hell bent like Zelenskyy, in 20 years after WW3, most of you either won't be around, severely maimed or broken person with many dead remembrance. Pick one. I know 100% what I want to choose. You?
- animal531 5y ago
  You want him and the Ukrainians to suffer a 20 year long oppression/genocide so that you can sleep a little better? It shouldn't be your place to choose that for them. If that's what you want (and you live in Europe/the West) then why don't you start a movement so Russia can install nukes/bases in your country, then they can leave Ukraine alone.
animal531 5y ago
NATO has said that if Russia withdraw they'll stop sanctions immediately. BUT on the other hand I imagine that if Russia nukes some part of Ukraine that that option will be off the table. Even if there is no escalation then sanctions are going to increase and continue for a number of years (at least).
- bhaak 5y ago
  The problem with that is that Putin doesn't trust the West. I don't think the West can do anything more than it already has done to stop this war. Macron is having regular calls with Putin but it doesn't look like he can reach him. I guess that only a devastating war can shift the opinion of the people and the Kremlin. Maybe still not of Putin but then he will wake up with a knife in his back someday.

by bhaak 5y ago

jansen555 5y ago

This is why, for the sack of my families and friends and many people I know worldwide, I want Zelenskyy to surrender. In 20 years of surrender, Putin probably dead, and new regime will very likely change their "economically ezpensive" policy and set Ukraine free. If we all hell bent like Zelenskyy, in 20 years after WW3, most of you either won't be around, severely maimed or broken person with many dead remembrance. Pick one. I know 100% what I want to choose. You?

animal531 5y ago
You want him and the Ukrainians to suffer a 20 year long oppression/genocide so that you can sleep a little better? It shouldn't be your place to choose that for them. If that's what you want (and you live in Europe/the West) then why don't you start a movement so Russia can install nukes/bases in your country, then they can leave Ukraine alone.

animal531 5y ago

NATO has said that if Russia withdraw they'll stop sanctions immediately. BUT on the other hand I imagine that if Russia nukes some part of Ukraine that that option will be off the table. Even if there is no escalation then sanctions are going to increase and continue for a number of years (at least).

bhaak 5y ago
The problem with that is that Putin doesn't trust the West. I don't think the West can do anything more than it already has done to stop this war. Macron is having regular calls with Putin but it doesn't look like he can reach him. I guess that only a devastating war can shift the opinion of the people and the Kremlin. Maybe still not of Putin but then he will wake up with a knife in his back someday.