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I saw the article below on a conservative news aggregator last week. I do believe that Ukraine has done some spectacularly foolish things over the last decade.

by chasil 5y ago

I saw the article below on a conservative news aggregator last week. I do believe that Ukraine has done some spectacularly foolish things over the last decade. The U.S. impeached a president over Ukraine; that should have prompted reflection on all sides. I don't believe that any country should be invaded, but NATO members cannot intervene. Media should stop parroting Ukrainian propaganda and give us all a hard dose of realism, unless we really do want the apocalypse. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/ukraines-deadly-gamble https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/ukraines-de...

nine_k 5y ago
For a stereoscopic view, re-read the history of Western Europe in 1935-1939.
- chasil 5y ago
  What I principally remember from William Shirer's Decline and Fall of the Third Reich was that Hitler would have been crushed if the war had started with the invasion of the Sudetenland. Perhaps Russia sees the Ukraine through a similar lens; addressing problems there become more costly with time. It is a shame that accommodation could not be found, and war averted.
  - rich_sasha 5y ago
    Or conversely, Ukraine is the Sudetenland being invaded by Russia. The West’s shot at stopping this is now. Russia has been for a while, and now stepped up, similarly aggressive rhetoric against Eastern and Central Europe.
chrismcb 5y ago
Why would have that prompted reflection on all sides? It seems that one side may have some something wrong, why should the other side take a look? You claim Ukraine had done some foolish things, like what?
- chasil 5y ago
  -Ukraine had nuclear weapons, and gave them up in 1994 negotiations with Bill Clinton. -A member of the Ukrainian parliament contributed to the "Steele Dossier" that was used to slander Donald Trump. -Burisma and Hunter Biden. -Ukraine pursues NATO membership that Russia will not tolerate. -Ukrainian membership in the E.U. will do great economic damage to Russia (although what is happening now might be worse).

by chasil 5y ago

nine_k 5y ago

For a stereoscopic view, re-read the history of Western Europe in 1935-1939.

chasil 5y ago
What I principally remember from William Shirer's Decline and Fall of the Third Reich was that Hitler would have been crushed if the war had started with the invasion of the Sudetenland. Perhaps Russia sees the Ukraine through a similar lens; addressing problems there become more costly with time. It is a shame that accommodation could not be found, and war averted.
- rich_sasha 5y ago
  Or conversely, Ukraine is the Sudetenland being invaded by Russia. The West’s shot at stopping this is now. Russia has been for a while, and now stepped up, similarly aggressive rhetoric against Eastern and Central Europe.

chrismcb 5y ago

Why would have that prompted reflection on all sides? It seems that one side may have some something wrong, why should the other side take a look? You claim Ukraine had done some foolish things, like what?

chasil 5y ago
-Ukraine had nuclear weapons, and gave them up in 1994 negotiations with Bill Clinton. -A member of the Ukrainian parliament contributed to the "Steele Dossier" that was used to slander Donald Trump. -Burisma and Hunter Biden. -Ukraine pursues NATO membership that Russia will not tolerate. -Ukrainian membership in the E.U. will do great economic damage to Russia (although what is happening now might be worse).