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Wasn’t the reason of the invasion the Ukraine wanting to join the NATO which was a big no inside the same scraps of paper ? (That’s what I understood)
by SalimoS 5y ago
Wasn’t the reason of the invasion the Ukraine wanting to join the NATO which was a big no inside the same scraps of paper ?
(That’s what I understood)
- NicoJuicy 5y agoNo, Ukraine found gas in Crimea, enough to replace Russian flows, in 2010-2012. Russia invaded in 2014 since they couldn't join NATO then and immediately seized Crimea.
- chasil 5y agoThere ars some gas deposits outside the Crimea, and shale deposits in the far east and west of the country.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoYes, but the one found in Crimea is huge and much more easily to extract. I believe the other 2 you are talking about are shale.
- singularity2001 5y agoSo why wasn't Putin Satisfied with Crimea?
- chasil 5y agoUkraine turned off the water supply to Crimea by closing a canal. Ukraine also has excessive tariffs for anything that flows through its pipeline network, to the extent that Russia will push anything through other networks that is possible to avoid the fees. ...plus many other reasons.
- yucky 5y ago>Russia invaded in 2014 since they couldn't join NATO then and immediately seized Crimea. Did you forget about the Ukranian coup that happened days before Russia invaded Crimea? That invasion (justified or not) was clearly in response to the coup, was it not?
- NicoJuicy 5y agoAre you talking about the Russian guy, that came from a Russian party that was supposed to lead Ukraine in name of Russia? Doesn't seem like he had Ukrainian interest in his priority list and considering your response ( justified or not), you were already aware of that.
- yucky 5y agoA coup is not an act of democracy. It was illegal, and against the Ukrainian Constitution. Everyone understands that Ukraine can never be part of NATO. And yet this new regime that took over after the coup has explicitly said that is what is going to happen. They even changed their Constitution after the coup to declare as much. Since Crimea is not recognized as Russian by Ukraine, then having Ukraine enter NATO means they will immediately be in conflict with the Russians in Crimea, leading to a World War. Russia will never let Ukraine have nuclear weapons, nor join NATO since it effectively means the same thing. So what is the solution, in your mind?
- NicoJuicy 5y agoCrimea is Ukraine, just look at it geographically. Crimea isn't even viable without Ukraine ( water). Who's talking about nuclear weapons, you're reading too much Russian propaganda.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y agoSince parent poster's main and repeated talking point across comments is "the Ukranian coup" when referring to Maidan (1) it's clear that they're both reading and repeating Russian propaganda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
- Imnimo 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances#Content https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit... This is my understanding of what the "scraps of paper" for denuclearization covered. I don't think NATO membership was addressed. Is there another treaty or commitment you're referring to?
- timeon 5y agoIt was not. Ukraine could not join the NATO because of Crimea and Luhansk+Donetsk.
- rich_sasha 5y agoUkraine kept getting a “that’s interesting, ask us again in a few years time”.