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Russia gets bogged down is simply a fictional hope here. You should read up how Russia mowed down Hitler. How Russia destroyed Grozny beyond recognition and gar

Russia gets bogged down is simply a fictional hope here. You should read up how Russia mowed down Hitler. How Russia destroyed Grozny beyond recognition and garnered the survivors's immense loyalty (brainwashed). As long as no countries helping Ukraine militarily, Ukraine losses is inevitable. The only question is just when and how many dead. USA cannot help without risking destruction of Taiwan (1/3 USA navy is on the other side of the planet) and Israel (Iran going nukish). If you observe Putin, unlike American, he hasn't send in the war his best, while Ukrainian has been bleeding their best on the frontline (very similar to Hitler's crack troops against Russian worst back then). As more and more civilians get boxed in and then cut off from outside, Ukrainian military will get weaker and weaker to feed their civilians. In ancient Chinese warfare it was routinely their rule of engagement to exterminate any additional mouth that won't contribute to winning the war. As for Putin, he has a lot of old Soviet stocks that need to dispose of. This war is a perfect excuse to replenish his arms once this is over. So overall, we as worldwide citizen should get Ukrainian to surrender because 1. Less people die 2. Less damages to Ukraine to preserve their cultural identity 3. Ukrainian diaspora spread worldwide will one day have influence and clout to come back to rebuild Ukraine. Putin cannot live long just like Stalin. But alas, everybody just gotten too emotionally gratifying to cheer and help Zelenskyy to piedpiperred his people to doom like the Battle of Hattin.

sidibe 5y ago
You are delusional, very clearly Russia has not succeeded as expected. It's not some master strategy going on here, Putin thought it would be over by now according to lots of evidence, from misprint in Russian news agency, presence of riot gear in many of the destroyed convoys. Maybe Russia can grind out a "win" but they definitely didn't intend to have lots of equipment and personnel losses to soften up the Ukrainians like you're saying
- jansen555 5y ago
  Go watch the map. See the big picture in Russia military strategy. Setback is common in war. If Putin complete his objectives in 2 years, it still beats Americans in Iraq and Afghan 20 years. Even better than Korean and Vietnam war. Even better than Libyan and Syrian wars. In absolute terms Russian lost way more than Hitler. In fact a Tiger easily destroyed 20+ Russian tanks towards the end of the WW2. You are thinking like George Bush Jr of "mission accomplished" photo ops 20 years ago. Russian simply dont fight short war. They fight effective war of attrition. They dont have rule of engagement like USA. They mowed you down when you are down. Kiev is now about to get boxed in with the last bridge about to be blown up. All the destroyed Russian equipments are old stocks. Their Ratnik elite soldiers havnt even make appearance. You are talking emotionally. I am talking logically even if it is extremely unpopular and get downvoted heavily.
  - amcoastal 5y ago
    If you don't understand the difference between WW2 and today... Even worse not understanding the difference between Iraq and Ukraine. Do you not realize we live in a global economy and Russia is being cut off? There was no global economy during WW2. The U.S. was not cut off for invading Iraq. The Russian economy is in shambles they cannot fight a long war in their current state. I suggest you delete your account and stop posting the dumbest shit ive read on here in the last few weeks over and over again.
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    the reason why you think your point is unpopular and heavily downvoted is not because people are outraged by your views (I only speak for myself). But because of your name-calling and jumping to conclusions about how others form their opinion. I didn't even care about your points and it has taken a lot of my energy to weed out what you actually bring to the table because it feels like listening to somebody being angry. It's a highly questionable form of communication that won't sit well with people who are already not aligned with your views. Even less likely you change minds this way. The effect of this style of discourse is that by calling your opposition deluded and out of the loop of what you believe is the truth, is that you will only get them to back down on their believe. Because why would anyone sign into HN just to be insulted? More importantly, if your points do have value (and I'm sure some of them do) they will be drowned out by the name-calling. The sad thing is that any value you may bring will not be evaluated by your peers if the basics of discourse are already violated. It's nice to be nice and won't cost you anything. On the other hand how can somebody be right on any subjects if that person has never learned to engage in healthy dialogue to discuss these subjects with anyone holding different views? Even they are correct they will not sharpen their mind with the same potential they could. For you it's counter-productive because nobody will ever give you a seat at the table even you would bring in a refreshing new angle. I'm not attacking you nor do I care about your downvotes, but consider getting help because it's likely a pattern that you have learned from your environment and it will certainly hold you back. And you can actually sharpen these things if you surround yourself with a different crowd. HN is a perfect place to grow. But it just takes time. Good luck.

sidibe 5y ago

You are delusional, very clearly Russia has not succeeded as expected. It's not some master strategy going on here, Putin thought it would be over by now according to lots of evidence, from misprint in Russian news agency, presence of riot gear in many of the destroyed convoys. Maybe Russia can grind out a "win" but they definitely didn't intend to have lots of equipment and personnel losses to soften up the Ukrainians like you're saying

jansen555 5y ago
Go watch the map. See the big picture in Russia military strategy. Setback is common in war. If Putin complete his objectives in 2 years, it still beats Americans in Iraq and Afghan 20 years. Even better than Korean and Vietnam war. Even better than Libyan and Syrian wars. In absolute terms Russian lost way more than Hitler. In fact a Tiger easily destroyed 20+ Russian tanks towards the end of the WW2. You are thinking like George Bush Jr of "mission accomplished" photo ops 20 years ago. Russian simply dont fight short war. They fight effective war of attrition. They dont have rule of engagement like USA. They mowed you down when you are down. Kiev is now about to get boxed in with the last bridge about to be blown up. All the destroyed Russian equipments are old stocks. Their Ratnik elite soldiers havnt even make appearance. You are talking emotionally. I am talking logically even if it is extremely unpopular and get downvoted heavily.
- amcoastal 5y ago
  If you don't understand the difference between WW2 and today... Even worse not understanding the difference between Iraq and Ukraine. Do you not realize we live in a global economy and Russia is being cut off? There was no global economy during WW2. The U.S. was not cut off for invading Iraq. The Russian economy is in shambles they cannot fight a long war in their current state. I suggest you delete your account and stop posting the dumbest shit ive read on here in the last few weeks over and over again.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  the reason why you think your point is unpopular and heavily downvoted is not because people are outraged by your views (I only speak for myself). But because of your name-calling and jumping to conclusions about how others form their opinion. I didn't even care about your points and it has taken a lot of my energy to weed out what you actually bring to the table because it feels like listening to somebody being angry. It's a highly questionable form of communication that won't sit well with people who are already not aligned with your views. Even less likely you change minds this way. The effect of this style of discourse is that by calling your opposition deluded and out of the loop of what you believe is the truth, is that you will only get them to back down on their believe. Because why would anyone sign into HN just to be insulted? More importantly, if your points do have value (and I'm sure some of them do) they will be drowned out by the name-calling. The sad thing is that any value you may bring will not be evaluated by your peers if the basics of discourse are already violated. It's nice to be nice and won't cost you anything. On the other hand how can somebody be right on any subjects if that person has never learned to engage in healthy dialogue to discuss these subjects with anyone holding different views? Even they are correct they will not sharpen their mind with the same potential they could. For you it's counter-productive because nobody will ever give you a seat at the table even you would bring in a refreshing new angle. I'm not attacking you nor do I care about your downvotes, but consider getting help because it's likely a pattern that you have learned from your environment and it will certainly hold you back. And you can actually sharpen these things if you surround yourself with a different crowd. HN is a perfect place to grow. But it just takes time. Good luck.