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This is also somewhat complicated because, as the article notes, sewage monitoring in Israel picks up polio virus with some degree of frequency, despite there b
by Fomite 5y ago
This is also somewhat complicated because, as the article notes, sewage monitoring in Israel picks up polio virus with some degree of frequency, despite there being no recorded cases - there's definitely shedding going on, and it's sort of an odd case due to a number of demographic and geopolitical factors.
This is not necessarily something that can be attributed to the vaccine. Will be curious to see what the results are if they try to trace it back.
- gregwebs 5y agoThat's exactly what is expected from a non-sterilizing vaccine. The polio virus will still circulate in the gut of the vaccinated and be visible in sewage, etc even though there are no poliomyelitis cases.
- ars 5y agoUgh, your post is a terrible mix of true and false, and you keep confusing IPV and OPV. I don't like that it's flagged, since there are elements in there that are true, but you wrote them in such a confusing way (in particular confusing IPV and OPV), that maybe you deserve to be flagged.
- tootie 5y agoDoes polio not have animal reservoirs?
- fastaguy88 5y agoNo. If it could be eliminated from humans, it would be gone. Like smallpox.
- cdtwigg 5y agoThe oral polio vaccine is a live vaccine and occasionally reverts to an actually infectious strain. This isn’t a major concern in countries where people are widely vaccinated but would be an issue if we considered it eliminated and stopped vaccinating segments of the population. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
- gus_massa 5y agoAfter some years without cases and if the country has a high vaccination rate, then the recommendation is to switch to use only the injectable vaccine. More details in the section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Schedule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Schedule
- Fomite 5y agoNo. It and measles are currently our two best targets for genuine eradication.
- manholio 5y agorecently it has found a way to spread to dogs, in Chad I believe.
- manholio 5y agoSorry, misremembered it, it was the Guineea worm.
- ars 5y agoPolio keeps being found in sewage in many countries without active cases. The countries that need the sewage monitoring the most, are the ones least likley to have it, so it's probably even worse than it seems.
- Izkata 5y ago> despite there being no recorded cases - there's definitely shedding going on > This is not necessarily something that can be attributed to the vaccine. Some stats about polio that people seem unaware of: * Around 72% of infections are completely asymptomatic. * Around 25% of infections result in flu-like symptoms. * That remaining 3% is where the serious symptoms are, with paralysis occurring in only about 0.5% of infections despite being what polio is known for. * Searching for the death rate of polio almost always results in finding "5 to 10 percent" - but that's of paralytic polio, not polio infections in general, so if you want polio infections in general, that's 5% of 0.5%, or around 0.025 - 0.05 percent. https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/index.htm
- hef19898 5y agoAnd your point is? That Polio is just a non-serious disease?
- Izkata 5y agoLook at the two lines from the parent comment that I quoted.
- fragmede 5y agoTo put that in perspective, to date, Covid-19 has killed 957k Americans. This works out to be 0.3 percent if everyone had it (which they didn't).
- Izkata 5y agoThis number is lower than that due to the "with vs from" distinction. The data is really messy though so we can't be sure how much lower.
- albertopv 5y agoA recent italian Istituto Superiore di Sanità study showed that a great majority of people dead with covid died from it or it have been a serious concurrent cause. https://amp24.ilsole24ore.com/pagina/AEbOPLHB https://amp24.ilsole24ore.com/pagina/AEbOPLHB