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It has been "common knowledge" among a lot of the people calling for sanctions that they don't work well and mostly hurt the common people of the country. I'd h

It has been "common knowledge" among a lot of the people calling for sanctions that they don't work well and mostly hurt the common people of the country. I'd hear this a lot in discussions about sanctions for Iran, NK, Cuba, etc. Now apparently _this_ time they'll work.

purple_ferret 5y ago
Sanctions on Iran definitely caused a lot of pressure. I don't think these are comparable though. They're all unique circumstances and the people in power have varying capabilities of suppression and motivations. Remember, at one point recently Iran turned the lights off on an entire city and gunned down hundreds of protestors[0] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_prot...
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  This seems to be pretty handwavy, they definitely did something and the situations are different. Sure, I'd like to know what they did and how the situations are different. Are you saying sanctions in Iran actually did work contrary to "common wisdom"? And that they may not work in Russia because the situations are different, or what? > Remember, at one point recently Iran turned the lights off on an entire city and gunned down hundreds of protestors[0] This wasn't supposed to be an example of how the ruling class was hurt by the sanctions, surely. Not sure what the relevance is.
MattGaiser 5y ago
Sanctions seem to have worked quite well against North Korea and Iran, although not for the initial purpose. North Korea can't afford anything new for its military. Sure they have a sizable army of weapons your grandfather fought against, but they also operate bitcoin scams to fund their country, despite sitting on tremendous mineral wealth. Iran has to make ever more economic sacrifices to fund its nuclear program and again also struggles with procuring weapons due to the cost. We didn't get the regime change desired, but the enemy was substantially defanged as a result and they fall further behind as time goes on. I would argue sanctions against Russia succeed if the next time they invade somewhere, they send their troops with rusting weapons and no body armor and cannot really afford to replace their equipment losses in Ukraine.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  Sanctions against North Korea have resulted in terrible hardship for their people, the cementing of the dictatorship and its total subservience to and reliance on the Chinese Communist Party. Not sure if anything else would have been an option given that China does not want them to open to the west, but you have to wonder if cooperation and help to develop their economy and trade might have resulted in less human suffering.

purple_ferret 5y ago

Sanctions on Iran definitely caused a lot of pressure. I don't think these are comparable though. They're all unique circumstances and the people in power have varying capabilities of suppression and motivations. Remember, at one point recently Iran turned the lights off on an entire city and gunned down hundreds of protestors[0] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Iranian_prot...

throwawaylinux 5y ago
This seems to be pretty handwavy, they definitely did something and the situations are different. Sure, I'd like to know what they did and how the situations are different. Are you saying sanctions in Iran actually did work contrary to "common wisdom"? And that they may not work in Russia because the situations are different, or what? > Remember, at one point recently Iran turned the lights off on an entire city and gunned down hundreds of protestors[0] This wasn't supposed to be an example of how the ruling class was hurt by the sanctions, surely. Not sure what the relevance is.

MattGaiser 5y ago

Sanctions seem to have worked quite well against North Korea and Iran, although not for the initial purpose. North Korea can't afford anything new for its military. Sure they have a sizable army of weapons your grandfather fought against, but they also operate bitcoin scams to fund their country, despite sitting on tremendous mineral wealth. Iran has to make ever more economic sacrifices to fund its nuclear program and again also struggles with procuring weapons due to the cost. We didn't get the regime change desired, but the enemy was substantially defanged as a result and they fall further behind as time goes on. I would argue sanctions against Russia succeed if the next time they invade somewhere, they send their troops with rusting weapons and no body armor and cannot really afford to replace their equipment losses in Ukraine.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
Sanctions against North Korea have resulted in terrible hardship for their people, the cementing of the dictatorship and its total subservience to and reliance on the Chinese Communist Party. Not sure if anything else would have been an option given that China does not want them to open to the west, but you have to wonder if cooperation and help to develop their economy and trade might have resulted in less human suffering.