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I've removed everything with this from my life. Everyone knows how bad it is now, there's no excuse.

by moltke 5y ago

sodality2 5y ago
> Everyone knows how bad it is now, there's no excuse. I disagree. Ask any 20-30 year old and I don't think many will say that TikTok, Instagram, etc is "harmful to your health". Maybe a "bit addictive", maybe a few people who say "I have a problem with it". But never "I know this is very harmful for my attention span, my mental health, etc".
- Shared404 5y ago
  > But never "I know this is very harmful for my attention span, my mental health, etc". Early 20's here, and avoid TikTok, Instagram, etc and know Reddit and the like are all of those things listed - though the worst affected for me personally is attention span.
  - sodality2 5y ago
    Hacker News might not be the best sample set :p I do all of these too but I really doubt many of my peers do.
    - Shared404 5y ago
      I imagine you're quite correct. I usually just like to chime in when people mention stuff like "no one young <does|knows|cares about> $THING", because I've noticed a trend where the fact that there are young people who care is ignored which I think hurts the case more. Most of my peers don't care however, at least, not as much as I do though I've made some inroads.
- moltke 5y ago
  By "everyone" I really meant people building things. IE: If someone builds something with infinite scrolling that's like putting caffeine/alcohol/cocaine in a drink.
  - sodality2 5y ago
    Ah okay, I agree. Unfortunately it's really easy for PMs to hide that behind flowery language like "to increase retention rates", "improve user experience", etc.
- Nasrudith 5y ago
  Sounds like the same mentality which lead to "cause cancer in California". All of the hysterical bullcrap with no sense of proportion leads to being ignored completely. It seems like even with the rise of drug legalization support they learned nothing from the failures of DARE and "scare them straight".
- buba447 5y ago
  Ask any person in 1950 and I don’t think any will say that cigarettes are harmful. Maybe a ‘bit addictive’…
- travisporter 5y ago
  I have a friend early 40s who says I have to download tiktok its so good he spends his evenings in bed with his wife texting links to each other. Not doing a good job marketing it to me
makeitdouble 5y ago
You removed all of it from your life with no negative impact. On the other side there's all the people who live with it with no negative impact either. The existence of these two groups seem to me a reasonable enough argument to keep it as it is and find alternative solutions for the people who can't remove it from their lives yet are harmed by that. At least, removing it for everyone doesn't seem to be the right call.

I've removed everything with this from my life. Everyone knows how bad it is now, there's no excuse.

by moltke 5y ago

I've removed everything with this from my life. Everyone knows how bad it is now, there's no excuse.

> Everyone knows how bad it is now, there's no excuse. I disagree. Ask any 20-30 year old and I don't think many will say that TikTok, Instagram, etc is "harmful to your health". Maybe a "bit addictive", maybe a few people who say "I have a problem with it". But never "I know this is very harmful for my attention span, my mental health, etc".

Shared404 5y ago
> But never "I know this is very harmful for my attention span, my mental health, etc". Early 20's here, and avoid TikTok, Instagram, etc and know Reddit and the like are all of those things listed - though the worst affected for me personally is attention span.
- sodality2 5y ago
  Hacker News might not be the best sample set :p I do all of these too but I really doubt many of my peers do.
  - Shared404 5y ago
    I imagine you're quite correct. I usually just like to chime in when people mention stuff like "no one young <does|knows|cares about> $THING", because I've noticed a trend where the fact that there are young people who care is ignored which I think hurts the case more. Most of my peers don't care however, at least, not as much as I do though I've made some inroads.
moltke 5y ago
By "everyone" I really meant people building things. IE: If someone builds something with infinite scrolling that's like putting caffeine/alcohol/cocaine in a drink.
- sodality2 5y ago
  Ah okay, I agree. Unfortunately it's really easy for PMs to hide that behind flowery language like "to increase retention rates", "improve user experience", etc.
Nasrudith 5y ago
Sounds like the same mentality which lead to "cause cancer in California". All of the hysterical bullcrap with no sense of proportion leads to being ignored completely. It seems like even with the rise of drug legalization support they learned nothing from the failures of DARE and "scare them straight".
buba447 5y ago
Ask any person in 1950 and I don’t think any will say that cigarettes are harmful. Maybe a ‘bit addictive’…
travisporter 5y ago
I have a friend early 40s who says I have to download tiktok its so good he spends his evenings in bed with his wife texting links to each other. Not doing a good job marketing it to me

makeitdouble 5y ago

You removed all of it from your life with no negative impact. On the other side there's all the people who live with it with no negative impact either. The existence of these two groups seem to me a reasonable enough argument to keep it as it is and find alternative solutions for the people who can't remove it from their lives yet are harmed by that. At least, removing it for everyone doesn't seem to be the right call.