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What on earth is this comment lol. It sounds like you're trying look down on blue collar workers... Because the majority of cars you didn't mention are workho

What on earth is this comment lol. It sounds like you're trying look down on blue collar workers... Because the majority of cars you didn't mention are workhorse trucks, and if you drive drunk then of course you make bad life decisions. Why would WRX and Audi drivers be excluded?

dzhiurgis 5y ago
Let's not pretend alcohol and drug abuse isn't a thing among hard workers.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  Except that's not what they said, they said these are people who generally make poor life decisions...
  - itsoktocry 5y ago
    >The rest of the cars are people who already demonstrate poor choices in life. DUI is just one more. Please tell me what the charitable interpretation of this is. How does owning a truck imply you make poor life decisions, but an Audi doesn't? I mean, at least a truck has some practical uses, while an Audi does nothing a car half the price doesn't. What's even better is that this is just a garbage, clickbait "article" drawing silly conclusions and people use it to attack blue collar workers. Look at some of these comments. So strange.
    - dzhiurgis 5y ago
      I mean people can own whatever they wan't or like or afford. So we are free to have our opinions whether those products fit them or are just for shallow posturing.
      - blunte 5y ago
        That's the thing. This is about human behavior. Why are these vehicles in the top 10 of DUIs? Do they represent the top 10 most sold vehicles (not entirely)? Even if they represent the top 10 most sold, what if the shift in behaviors is one toward bad choices? Gun sales began increasing in 2003 and spiked in 2020 (and were only a bit less in 2021). This suggests a general behavior. Do we accept a general behavior to be ok because it's general? I say this not to specifically tie guns to trucks, although it is a very common association. My point is that poor choices can be a representation of... poor choices, regardless of the outcome. More trucks. More DUI? More guns?
    - blunte 5y ago
      A truck takes more space, uses more fuel, wears brakes faster (due to weight), turns worse, accelerates worse, brakes worse, etc. It underperforms compared to the A4 in every measure except for two things: it can haul a LOT more, and it can tow a LOT more. If you need to haul a lot or tow a low, then a truck is the obvious choice. If not, then a non-truck is much smarter. Most drivers do not need a truck. For trucks to rank so highly in sales (and in DUIs) suggests that a lot of people make bad choices. Driving drunk is just one more bad choice.
2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
In Sydney I've seen utes and SUVs become more popular because of the image they project I suppose. There is one ute owner in my building with a pristine vehicle. I know another person that went from a Mercedes hatch to a ute. I imagine the US also has the same phenomenon of people picking cars to project an image and not to actually use. Are trucks the in thing now? Can this list simply correlate to the current fashion?
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  Trucks are in but not like these S10 is in for example, as a workhorse. It also hasn't produced since 2004, so it's not a show off purchase. F150 is an example of in as a more showy-off purchase (but also gets used as a workhorse by some)
- crooked-v 5y ago
  Trucks have been the "in" thing among certain demographics in the US for a long time. More recent is the continual size inflation of them. Trucks that are considered "tiny" now by US standards were the standard size for a personal truck two decades ago, and "normal" trucks now in the US are absurdly large and tall [1]. [1]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dangerous-rise-of-the-supersized-pickup-truck https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dange...
  - itsoktocry 5y ago
    What do you mean by "certain demographics"? American built trucks are literally ranked 1, 2, 3 of best-selling vehicles in the country. So, can you please expand on what "types" of people are buying and driving these vehicles? Because it seems to me they are incredibly popular.
    - blunte 5y ago
      Well, the US in general has become a "certain demographic". And by that, I mean "less thinking, more led by television advertising and social competition". Unless you're hauling stuff or towing stuff, a truck is impractical. It takes more physical space, uses more fuel, weighs more (and thus wears brakes and tires faster, turns more poorly, accelerates more poorly, brakes more poorly), and increasingly costs more. But it projects an image: You are tough. You belong. You are a man. You are patriotic. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a Rivian. But a Dodge truck is loud, fuel inefficent, unreliable, and aesthetically crude. In October 2021, Ford trucks were the most sold vehicles in the US. By the end of the year, Dodge actually surpassed that with the RAM. Prior to 2021 it was much more a Ford dominance. So why is there no Ford truck in the top 10? It would appear that people who buy Dodge vehicles make poorer choices regarding driving drunk, or perhaps they're just worse drivers and get caught more than drunk Ford drivers do.
blunte 5y ago
Nothing at all against blue collar. It's a matter of reasons for choices. If you're blue collar, does that suggest you cannot discern between utility vs emotional appeal? Ford sells TONS more truck than Dodge. Why does Dodge have more DUIs? WRX cars are visceral creatures that beg to be spanked. They _want_ you to tear around the roads with them. That's what they are made for (well, not so much lately as they've gone soft). Audis are urban wannabe racers, so it's somewhat likely that their owners will still feel a need to race a bit. But without a doubt, nobody accidentally buys a WRX. There's no use case for a WRX other than playing on the roads. So a WRX driver will be screwing around with or without drinking. They will get pulled over a lot. Sometimes, occsionally maybe, they will have been drinking. Thus, they will show up as frequent DUI.

dzhiurgis 5y ago

Let's not pretend alcohol and drug abuse isn't a thing among hard workers.

BoorishBears 5y ago
Except that's not what they said, they said these are people who generally make poor life decisions...
- itsoktocry 5y ago
  >The rest of the cars are people who already demonstrate poor choices in life. DUI is just one more. Please tell me what the charitable interpretation of this is. How does owning a truck imply you make poor life decisions, but an Audi doesn't? I mean, at least a truck has some practical uses, while an Audi does nothing a car half the price doesn't. What's even better is that this is just a garbage, clickbait "article" drawing silly conclusions and people use it to attack blue collar workers. Look at some of these comments. So strange.
  - dzhiurgis 5y ago
    I mean people can own whatever they wan't or like or afford. So we are free to have our opinions whether those products fit them or are just for shallow posturing.
    - blunte 5y ago
      That's the thing. This is about human behavior. Why are these vehicles in the top 10 of DUIs? Do they represent the top 10 most sold vehicles (not entirely)? Even if they represent the top 10 most sold, what if the shift in behaviors is one toward bad choices? Gun sales began increasing in 2003 and spiked in 2020 (and were only a bit less in 2021). This suggests a general behavior. Do we accept a general behavior to be ok because it's general? I say this not to specifically tie guns to trucks, although it is a very common association. My point is that poor choices can be a representation of... poor choices, regardless of the outcome. More trucks. More DUI? More guns?
  - blunte 5y ago
    A truck takes more space, uses more fuel, wears brakes faster (due to weight), turns worse, accelerates worse, brakes worse, etc. It underperforms compared to the A4 in every measure except for two things: it can haul a LOT more, and it can tow a LOT more. If you need to haul a lot or tow a low, then a truck is the obvious choice. If not, then a non-truck is much smarter. Most drivers do not need a truck. For trucks to rank so highly in sales (and in DUIs) suggests that a lot of people make bad choices. Driving drunk is just one more bad choice.

2muchcoffeeman 5y ago

In Sydney I've seen utes and SUVs become more popular because of the image they project I suppose. There is one ute owner in my building with a pristine vehicle. I know another person that went from a Mercedes hatch to a ute. I imagine the US also has the same phenomenon of people picking cars to project an image and not to actually use. Are trucks the in thing now? Can this list simply correlate to the current fashion?

BoorishBears 5y ago
Trucks are in but not like these S10 is in for example, as a workhorse. It also hasn't produced since 2004, so it's not a show off purchase. F150 is an example of in as a more showy-off purchase (but also gets used as a workhorse by some)
crooked-v 5y ago
Trucks have been the "in" thing among certain demographics in the US for a long time. More recent is the continual size inflation of them. Trucks that are considered "tiny" now by US standards were the standard size for a personal truck two decades ago, and "normal" trucks now in the US are absurdly large and tall [1]. [1]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dangerous-rise-of-the-supersized-pickup-truck https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dange...
- itsoktocry 5y ago
  What do you mean by "certain demographics"? American built trucks are literally ranked 1, 2, 3 of best-selling vehicles in the country. So, can you please expand on what "types" of people are buying and driving these vehicles? Because it seems to me they are incredibly popular.
  - blunte 5y ago
    Well, the US in general has become a "certain demographic". And by that, I mean "less thinking, more led by television advertising and social competition". Unless you're hauling stuff or towing stuff, a truck is impractical. It takes more physical space, uses more fuel, weighs more (and thus wears brakes and tires faster, turns more poorly, accelerates more poorly, brakes more poorly), and increasingly costs more. But it projects an image: You are tough. You belong. You are a man. You are patriotic. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a Rivian. But a Dodge truck is loud, fuel inefficent, unreliable, and aesthetically crude. In October 2021, Ford trucks were the most sold vehicles in the US. By the end of the year, Dodge actually surpassed that with the RAM. Prior to 2021 it was much more a Ford dominance. So why is there no Ford truck in the top 10? It would appear that people who buy Dodge vehicles make poorer choices regarding driving drunk, or perhaps they're just worse drivers and get caught more than drunk Ford drivers do.

blunte 5y ago

Nothing at all against blue collar. It's a matter of reasons for choices. If you're blue collar, does that suggest you cannot discern between utility vs emotional appeal? Ford sells TONS more truck than Dodge. Why does Dodge have more DUIs? WRX cars are visceral creatures that beg to be spanked. They _want_ you to tear around the roads with them. That's what they are made for (well, not so much lately as they've gone soft). Audis are urban wannabe racers, so it's somewhat likely that their owners will still feel a need to race a bit. But without a doubt, nobody accidentally buys a WRX. There's no use case for a WRX other than playing on the roads. So a WRX driver will be screwing around with or without drinking. They will get pulled over a lot. Sometimes, occsionally maybe, they will have been drinking. Thus, they will show up as frequent DUI.