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fully support the blockage of these cards. Coming here and whining cause your comfortable life is ruined? Tell this to families in Irpin, which got bombed when

fully support the blockage of these cards. Coming here and whining cause your comfortable life is ruined? Tell this to families in Irpin, which got bombed when evacuating. You have a chance to protest and shout your position yet you choose to turn your face from the problem and leave all alone with it`s problems. So why someone should sympathise you again?

kantrael 5y ago
No, we don’t have a chance to protest. It’s simply not how it works here. People in Europe have a chance to protest, people in USA have a chance to protest, but not the people in Russia. We don’t. When you protest in Russia you just get jailed the very same day and that’s it.
- okl 5y ago
  - kantrael 5y ago
    It’s easy to say such things when you was lucky to born in a country that respects your right to protest and other civilian rights. But would you go to a protest if that guaranteed to get you in jail for half a month at best? Would you speak up publicly for yourself if that meant you get jailed for years? Especially if you have wife and kids? I don’t think so. And if you say yes, I would think it’s a lie, or that you’re stupid.
    - okl 5y ago
      Yes I would and you're a coward. Also poisoning the well with your "if you say yes, I would think it's a lie, or that you're stupid" I hope writing that does at least help you feel better because it won't help the people of Ukraine.
      - slatmother 5y ago
        Oh, c'mon. It's always easy to speak from the sofa - yes, I would, you are a coward and bla-bla-bla. You are not living in this shitty contry and you are judging from the western way of thinking. Remember, it's always a number one priority to save your and your family lives and then care about others.
      - dang 5y ago
        You've broken the site guidelines egregiously with this. If you keep doing that, we will have to ban you. Aggression towards other users is particularly not ok here, regardless of how right your views are or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Yes, the rules still apply during a war—the violence and aggression going on right now does not imply that this place should destroy itself as well. That includes not using the site primarily for political, ideological, or nationalistic battle. We ban accounts that do that regardless of what they're battling for, because it destroys everything this site is supposed to exist for.
    - p1esk 5y ago
      History is full of examples of people who protested their governments at a grave risk. Some have died, but some have won. Think of it as “dying for your country” - you choose not to, but many would, and many in Ukraine are doing it as we speak.
- p1esk 5y ago
  Early last century Lenin and friends were also getting jailed, yet they kept protesting and at the end took the power. If they could do it so can you.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    Sure, but even then you never know in advance if you are part of the Lenin-equivalent or Martov-equivalent faction in that scenario; revolutionary victories can be quite Pyrhhic.
    - p1esk 5y ago
      Lenin didn’t know if he would win, I’m pretty sure he knew the risk. In Russia today life is too comfortable to protest and people feel they have too much to lose. Until this changes nothing will change in Russia. That’s exactly the point of sanctions.
baguwk 5y ago
Protests never work under a dictatorship. See the Belarus experience and how much people was protesting. I believe that fleeing of IT guys will hurt Russian's economic more than being tortured in the jail. Any possibilities of protest in Russia are suppressed. Putin has been doing this for decades. We don't have that much support. Visa/MS blocking affects ~1% of the population who want to flee.

kantrael 5y ago

No, we don’t have a chance to protest. It’s simply not how it works here. People in Europe have a chance to protest, people in USA have a chance to protest, but not the people in Russia. We don’t. When you protest in Russia you just get jailed the very same day and that’s it.

okl 5y ago
- kantrael 5y ago
  It’s easy to say such things when you was lucky to born in a country that respects your right to protest and other civilian rights. But would you go to a protest if that guaranteed to get you in jail for half a month at best? Would you speak up publicly for yourself if that meant you get jailed for years? Especially if you have wife and kids? I don’t think so. And if you say yes, I would think it’s a lie, or that you’re stupid.
  - okl 5y ago
    Yes I would and you're a coward. Also poisoning the well with your "if you say yes, I would think it's a lie, or that you're stupid" I hope writing that does at least help you feel better because it won't help the people of Ukraine.
    - slatmother 5y ago
      Oh, c'mon. It's always easy to speak from the sofa - yes, I would, you are a coward and bla-bla-bla. You are not living in this shitty contry and you are judging from the western way of thinking. Remember, it's always a number one priority to save your and your family lives and then care about others.
    - dang 5y ago
      You've broken the site guidelines egregiously with this. If you keep doing that, we will have to ban you. Aggression towards other users is particularly not ok here, regardless of how right your views are or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Yes, the rules still apply during a war—the violence and aggression going on right now does not imply that this place should destroy itself as well. That includes not using the site primarily for political, ideological, or nationalistic battle. We ban accounts that do that regardless of what they're battling for, because it destroys everything this site is supposed to exist for.
  - p1esk 5y ago
    History is full of examples of people who protested their governments at a grave risk. Some have died, but some have won. Think of it as “dying for your country” - you choose not to, but many would, and many in Ukraine are doing it as we speak.
p1esk 5y ago
Early last century Lenin and friends were also getting jailed, yet they kept protesting and at the end took the power. If they could do it so can you.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  Sure, but even then you never know in advance if you are part of the Lenin-equivalent or Martov-equivalent faction in that scenario; revolutionary victories can be quite Pyrhhic.
  - p1esk 5y ago
    Lenin didn’t know if he would win, I’m pretty sure he knew the risk. In Russia today life is too comfortable to protest and people feel they have too much to lose. Until this changes nothing will change in Russia. That’s exactly the point of sanctions.

baguwk 5y ago

Protests never work under a dictatorship. See the Belarus experience and how much people was protesting. I believe that fleeing of IT guys will hurt Russian's economic more than being tortured in the jail. Any possibilities of protest in Russia are suppressed. Putin has been doing this for decades. We don't have that much support. Visa/MS blocking affects ~1% of the population who want to flee.