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It’s true the west does not want to get their hands dirty, and the people of Ukraine suffer all the more because of it. The reason is Nuclear Weapons. Putin is
by swagasaurus-rex 5y ago
It’s true the west does not want to get their hands dirty, and the people of Ukraine suffer all the more because of it.
The reason is Nuclear Weapons. Putin is holding the world hostage and saying “don’t get involved or I blow us all to hell.”
The blame is on Putin. He invaded. He cried the crocodile tears about NATO while approving unjustified war on the people of Ukraine.
- InvaderFizz 5y ago> The blame is on Putin. Not arguing that point. He made the decision to invade, he has agency of his own and is responsible for his actions. My point is that if people think his Nazi and NATO talk is bullshit, call it by offering terms that completely neutralize those points. It's one thing to say, "Ukraine was never going to be in NATO, trust us." It's a completely different thing to say, "Ukraine will never be in NATO, here is a legally binding treaty stating so, contingent on X actions by Russia."
- dragonwriter 5y ago> It's one thing to say, "Ukraine was never going to be in NATO, trust us." No one ever said that. Ukraine is going to be in NATO if they want to be in NATO. The claim that Ukraine would eventually be admitted to NATO is not the bullshit. The bullshit is that NATO is offensively directed at Russia; the only reason Russia isn't in NATO and covered by its defensive shield (Russia joined the onramp Partnership for Peace program in 1994) is that Putin decided he didn't want it to be, made known-unacceptable demands to bypass the accession process, was rebuffed as he knew he would be, and used that as a reason to stop any work toward joining.
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- johnny22 5y agoMaybe they do want to be in NATO though? Either way, it doesn't justify the invasion.